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Brian Joseph Mayer
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Bunkum...
I had money as a kid...allowance and what-not...I assume that today's (Potential) audience is the same way. The sad truth is that the producers of today;s comic books, for the most part, are not interested in the much larger and self regenerating demographic of kids 9-14. they are aiming at an insular and shrinking market of much older children...19-40. They fool themselves into thinking they are writing "relevant" or "mature" comics.
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Bunkum back at you (whatever that means). The Cam gets allowance and has money. He has figured out though that for the price of three comic books he can get one basic lego set and candy AND go to the library and check out a huge collection of comic books for free. His simple approach to math astounds me for its brilliance. The companies are doing the smartest thing they can by going for the older kids with disposable income by targetting their sensebilities (for lack of a better word).
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Arc Carlton
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I haven't been following the Ultimate line lately ...
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Rick Whiting
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The "Bone" books have done very well among a much younger audience so children do have an interest in comics; however, the industry (for the most part) has no interest in them.__________________________________ This indeed seems to be the case. This is no more apparent then in the upcoming Young Allies series where they fight a new team of villains called the Bastards of Evil. Today's creators seem more interested in creating superhero comics that will either shock the reader,show the reader how "kewl" and clever the writer is,or to win an Eisner.
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Brad Krawchuk
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The "Bone" books have done very well among a much younger audience so children do have an interest in comics; however, the industry (for the most part) has no interest in them.
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Scholastic puts out the colour Bone books - Scholastic as in the company that sends out monthly flyers to schools so kids can order books? That Scholastic.
In other words, Bone is one of the few comics that is popular with kids because it is one of the few that is actually being marketed to them and that is actually available for them to buy. Even without Superhero Tragedy Porn, Superman, Green Lantern, X-Men, Spider-Man et al. are NOT available to kids. My collected started at a convenience store when I was a kid. I didn't enter my first comic shop until I was 13 and already knew what I wanted.
If you like Bone, there's a quasi-Manga series put out by Scholastic that's called Amulet. There's two books so far - they're OGN's in the same format as the colour Bone series. It's pretty entertaining so far. I also notice a lot of kids who read also read stuff like the Artemis Fowl OGN's/Adaptations, and things like that.
You know, the stuff they can order every month from Scholastic. If only there were some kind of way DC or Marvel could create age-appropriate material for elementary and young adult readers, and then come up with some form distribution system to get them into the hands of kids... I have NO IDEA how they would do that, though!
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Brian Joseph Mayer
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Scholastic does have Marvel and DC books in the catalogs from time to time, probably as often as Bone as I don't even see that every month. Though, we find a great deal of both at every Scholastic book fair.
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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Rick Whiting (in part): "Today's creators seem more interested in creating superhero comics that will either shock the reader,show the reader how "kewl" and clever the writer is,or to win an Eisner." If Will Eisner were alive to see the atrocities being committed in his name, he would drop dead.
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Michael Cross
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My sister is a teacher, and she was able through Scholastic to order: Ultimate Spider-Man vol1 and Dark Knight Returns.
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Donald Miller
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Bunkum back at you (whatever that means). The Cam gets allowance
and has money. He has figured out though that for the price of three
comic books he can get one basic lego set and candy AND go to the
library and check out a huge collection of comic books for free. His simple approach to math astounds me for its brilliance. The
companies are doing the smartest thing they can by going for the older
kids with disposable income by targetting their sensebilities (for lack
of a better word).
So you are saying the same thing I did...Your kid gets an allowance and chooses to spend it (I agree very clever) wisely on more value for his money...This does not dispel the fact that his age group has disposable income, just proves that the comic indusstry is not interested in that age group. which is foolish. The comic readership used to be around 9-14 after which most kids either moved on to other media, or stayed fans and accepted that they were kid things...(not that they can't be more as a medium, but I am talking big two superhero books here)
modern comics answering to the dwindling readership...(caused by not directing themselves toward the constantly renewing 9-14 market) has resulted in this false "mature" comic.... It's like a fan of Judy Blume books demanding that her newer books feature Beezus joining a gang while Ramona is rehab and selling herself for crack. It makes no sense.
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Edited by Donald Miller on 12 March 2010 at 12:36pm
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Bobby Beem
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A lot of Byrne forum members sure seem to enjoy coming up with nasty imagery to share with the rest of us. Kind of odd for a bunch that claims to hate grim grittiness. Imagine if you could get paid for it!
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Donald Miller
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A lot of Byrne forum members sure seem to enjoy coming up with nasty
imagery to share with the rest of us. Kind of odd for a bunch that
claims to hate grim grittiness. Imagine if you could get paid for it!
There is a great difference between having an imagination that can conjure up disturbing imagery...and knowing where it is appropriate to place that imagery... I said nothing about hating Grim and Grittiness...I love it in the appropriate context.
Superheroes that have an established history of heroism and youth friendliness is not the appropriate context.
Way to miss the point!
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Brian Joseph Mayer
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"So you are saying the same thing I did...Your kid gets an allowance and chooses to spend it (I agree very clever) wisely on more value for his money...This does not dispel the fact that his age group has disposable income, just proves that the comic indusstry is not interested in that age group. which is foolish. The comic readership used to be around 9-14 after which most kids either moved on to other media, or stayed fans and accepted that they were kid things...(not that they can't be more as a medium, but I am talking big two superhero books here) " I don't think we are quite on the same page. Yes, 9 to 14 has some disposable income, but they don't have nearly the disposable income of the 16 to 24 year old age group. This is the group that has expenses paid and begining to work. But, they aren't generally "working for a living". This is the group that defines much of the change that happens in any media. They have the money to piss away and the desire to explore. They thrill on finding something new and staking claim. Frankly, from a business sense, it is what the comic companies should do and who they should go after. It is the market that is growing. As generations go, the Boomers far outnumbered Generation X. But it is the Millennials that are far outnumbering both groups. We still have a handful of years that they are in this buying market and the next generational group dominates the market and we have our next major swing.
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Matthew McCallum
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A lot of Byrne forum members sure seem to enjoy coming up with nasty imagery to share with the rest of us. Kind of odd for a bunch that claims to hate grim grittiness. Imagine if you could get paid for it! Money is too expensive to be earned that way...
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