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Victor Rodgers
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About the Reagan Snake story. I read it a few years back did not take anything political from it. It came across like any other Cap story. I could of easily of seen Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton in the same role.
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Joseph,

As a footnote to your last post: Our community got an amendment passed in the State Assembly a couple of years ago because of an interpretation to a state law that asserted community volunteers could not complete work on City projects that otherwise could be done with unionized labour.

Under that interpretation, a local Rotary Club could not fundraise and build, say, a park playground because the playground installation could be done by union workers. Community clean-up projects -- where you get a 100 volunteers to clean-up a creek bed -- would be forbidden because you could have union workers do that work. Adopt-a-Park programs would be out of bounds, because union members could pick up the trash rather than the adoptee. It's not that these jobs were being eliminated; there was no funding to complete these tasks in the first place, and they likely wouldn't happen without volunteers.

It was an insane interpretation that would have eliminated a host of community service projects that benefit society and could have added exponentially to the cost of government.

Thankfully, we got the original sponsor of the legislation to introduce an amendment clarifying that he did not intend the kiss of death to volunteerism.

That's just one small sliver of the challenges we face in California.
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I've never understood the whole "Government doesn't work!  Government is the enemy!  Vote for me!" thing.
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Matthew McCallum
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William,

Statistically, you spend 90 percent of all your lifetime health care costs in the final 10 days of your life. So, if people were willing to die 10 days sooner we could save a bundle!

Also, it would be much better on the pocketbook if people would just quickly expire at the scene of an traumatic accident rather than linger on, enlist the time and energy of a couple of EMTs, get airlifted to an emergency room and then die on the table. Not a lot of return on investment in that case...

Give me a bit more time and I'm sure I can come up with a few more good ideas!
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Wilson Mui
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I would imagine a lot would be saved with prevention as well.  How much of our health care costs are related to obesity or smoking cigarettes?
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Victor Rodgers
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Even more health care cost come from people existing. If everybody would drop dead, health care cost would be zero.
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How many of you people actually read the comic? It takes place in IDAHO. Of course the Falcon wouldn't fit in in that crowd! How many black people are in Idaho? He wouldn't fit into any crowd in Idaho! 
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Al Cook
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Comic? There's a comic being discussed here?
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William McCormick
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As you can see, William, none of these stimulating factors existedprior to 15 Apr 08, explaining in large part why the tax payer protestsare so much larger today.  But there are a couple more intangibles,that exist as contributing factors as well, starting with the emergenceof Sarah Palin.  At a time when Americans feel increasingly isolatedfrom their elected representatives the appeal of Ms. Palin, in ageneral sense, divorced from political ideology, is enormous.  Over theyears, many people have cynically forgotten the power of the individualin the American political system, but in Ms. Palin, they see a womanjust like themselves, and they are reminded that the common man canindeed influence change.  That is the heart of her appeal: she hasempowered many disillusioned voters to believe in themselves (ratherthan in her).
Two other factors are also currently contributing tothe growth potential of the movement, and they are related.  The powerof the success/opposition dichotomy is also enormous.  The more intenseand offensive the negative reaction is to the movement, the morealienated the people to whom the movement appeals feel from theirelected representatives and from media outlets.  But on the other sideof the dichotomy, the more success the movement meets with, the moreempowered the common man feels in his desire to affect grassrootschange.

But ultimately, William, you're asking the wrongquestion.  Divorce your self from ideology, and the real questionbecomes: how is this, in any way, a bad thing?

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I never said that protesting taxes was a bad thing. By your own admission, all the things they are protesting against existed as of April 15, 2008. So where were the Teabaggers from then until Obama took office? Pretty simple question, that all of you who support them seem to keep ducking with a bunch of facts that mean nothing. Bush spent an ungodly amount of money. Not one protest of his fiscal policies? And definitely not on the scale of what is going on now. I would believe it was all about taxes, if there wasn't so many pictures of Teabaggers with signs calling the President a nigger, monkey, Nazi. etc. Does that mean all of them are racist. Of course not. So why aren't the organizers of these things telling them to stop?

And quite frankly, any group of people who think Palin has anything intelligent to say really need a reality check. She is the single most divisive figure out there today. The best thing she could do is go away. Hopey changey, my ass. She's a complete moron. Her stance on abortion, gay marriage, et al sickens me. She calls Obama out for using a teleprompter, and all the while has her notes written on her hand. She complains about the stimulus, but takes the money anyway? This is who you rally behind? I weep for your movement if she's the best you have. She's a hypocrite. Period.
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There are crowds in Idaho?
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Brad Krawchuk
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Idaho is where America keeps its potatoes. There must be some kind of crowd guarding the potatoes - though what social group comprises that crowd is beyond me. After all, Florida has all the oranges and it's only guarded by old people. 

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Steven Myers
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Potatoes are awesome.  Truly a national treasure.  Though most of the potatoes I buy I get at Meijer and they come from that state up north.

(By the way, the Health Care debate is assinine.  The tea baggers hate Obama's socialist government takeover of Health Care...which isn't even close to what's in the actual bills proposed!!  They also complain about health care reform being more government spending, when the bills proposed reduce spending.  Meaning these people are either idiots or troublemakers.  I do like the idea of death squads, though.  I want to sign up to be on one.)

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