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Paulo Pereira
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 Eric wrote:
His shorts serve no purpose so I don'treally see why they have now become the "essential peice" to his entireuniform.

From a design standpoint they do, just as they do on Superman's costume.
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How was he "born" Superman?

Bruce Wayne trained for years, then one day decided to put on a costume and become Batman. Peter Parker spent his entire life as a normal kid, then gained super-powers and became Spider-Man.

Prior to Man of Steel, Superman was ALWAYS super-powered. Before he was Superman, he spent a lengthy career as Superboy. Prior to Superboy, he had adventures as Superbaby. From the time he could talk, he was a Super-hero. He even called himself Superbaby before he called himself Clark Kent. In that continuity, Superman came before Clark Kent.

As for the blanket business, the meaning seems clear enough to me. Superman's costume is made from the blankets he was wrapped in as an infant. In other words, he is still dressed in his swaddling clothes. He's wearing the same clothing he has ALWAYS worn, since before he was Clark Kent. The red and blue, with the S shield, were a part of him before the Clark Kent disguise was.
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"Didn't the Superman movie do this before JB?"

Absolutely not. Donner's Clark is almost a parody of the Silver Age Clark Kent, a total exaggeration and the Donner movie(s) is also the reason why people these days think that the pre-crisis Superman is dumb.

However, in the George Reeve Superman series there is almost no difference between Superman and Clark Kent (which means: both were tough, unlike what we got in the 90s when Clark Kent AND Superman were super-whiny).

In the Superman radio show Superman comes to Earth as an adult.


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Bruce Wayne trained for years, then one day decided to put on a costume and become Batman. Peter Parker spent his entire life as a normal kid, then gained super-powers and became Spider-Man.

Prior to Man of Steel, Superman was ALWAYS super-powered. Before he was Superman, he spent a lengthy career as Superboy. Prior to Superboy, he had adventures as Superbaby. From the time he could talk, he was a Super-hero. He even called himself Superbaby before he called himself Clark Kent. In that continuity, Superman came before Clark Kent.

Exactly.

Things like Superman moaning for Krypton and thinking of himself as "Kal-El" are later additons to the mythos. But the "Clark Kent as disguise" dynamic was always there before the reboot. The Golden Age CK was despised by Lois and really just a shell and tool for Superman. It wasn't until guys like Maggin came that "Clark Kent" became a more important aspect of Superman's personality.

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Absolutely not. Donner's Clark is almost a parody of the Silver AgeClark Kent, a total exaggeration and the Donner movie(s) is also thereason why people these days think that the pre-crisis Superman is dumb.

So the movie Superman didn't start life as Clark Kent?
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So the movie Superman didn't start life as Clark Kent?

Yes, he started as Clark Kent -- but he lifted the car as soon as he arrived on Earth. So we can savely assume that he never was a normal boy, not at one point of his life. Clark Kent, Superman, Kal-El, these are just names. The difference of JB Superman is that Superman was just a like any other boy until some point and he still is when he isn't "playing" Superman. So he basically became just a regular guy who happened to have superpowers.

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Friedrich, nobody's argued that he was ever a normal boy. The issue was whether he thought of himself as son of the Kents or knew his true heritage. I think it's either/or depending on the era.
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Well, in the Golden Age it didn't even matter. His backstory was just a throw-away explanation why Superman can do the things he does. No need for the Kents, no need for the (E)ls. They were all dead. He was Superman, disguised as Clark Kent to allow the writers to have their little revenge on all the hot girls that rejected them, to have a regular cast of characters and (the in-story justification) to be a reporter to know in time when Superman is needed. (This point is often overlooked and with Superman's powers growing and growing it became unnecessary). And it was supposed to be funny.

In the Bronze Age they explained Clark Kent by hinting that he kept this identity to honour his dead foster parents. But basically he was Kryptonian, which grew into almost ridiculous dimensions ("Great Rao!"), to be honest.

In JB reboot Superman was more a job / burden and Clark Kent considered himself to be "just a farmboy" (funnily enough, in the Silver Age his parents didn't even own a farm, they owned a store).



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Haven't being there always been two Clark Kents? One being the  role he plays in public ( the stuttering, clumsy bumbler) and the other is the guy raised by the Kents, the person he is when he was alone with Ma and Pa and later Lois ( and by himself). When he's "Clark Kent" he playing a part and even as "Superman" he plays a part to a lesser extent. Even as "Kal-el" He's playing at being culturally Kryptonian., In those identities he has to always be on his toes. Only as Clark Kent can he truely relax.
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Only as Clark Kent can he truely relax.

Of course, in the stories I grew up reading, Clark Kent was never relaxed, He spent most of his time trying to thwart Lana and Lois's schemes to expose his secret identity.
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Re: the thread topic, this is probably my least favorite iteration of Batman's costume. By contrast, this one looks okay.
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Only as Clark Kent can he truely relax.

Of course, in the stories I grew up reading, Clark Kent was never relaxed, He spent most of his time trying to thwart Lana and Lois's schemes to expose his secret identity.

I'm sure he had a nice breakfast or two with Ma and Pa.



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Paulo, you can't hate that costume worse than the Bat Nipples version can you? Yeesh.

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