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Michael Todd
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Ah the bouquet of a fine old comic book, I know it well.
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Jon Tremmeh
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Sweet Jesus, the price hike that occurs when a book is graded by CGC is ridiculous.
This kind of thing definitely makes more sense with baseball cards, if only because you can still see the entire card, but I don't have any problem with people preserving the condition of older comics in this way. I think it's neat that a fresh off the press copy of Hulk #1 still exists. I'm sure that whoever bought it can afford to pick up a copy of the first Hulk masterwork if he really wants to read the issue.
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Lars Johansson
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John Peter Britton, I don't want to read your answer. I want to read what JB has to answer. If you ask Ingmar Bergman how to make a movie and my mother how to make a movie you get not the same answer.
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John Peter Britton
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Well lars don't read my answer then if i knew what you were on about that is!
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Andy Mokler
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The "value" is artificial.
Well, sure. You could say that about anything that's "valuable". I mean, couldn't you say the same thing about gold?
Many may not agree but for some, the enjoyment of a book like this may be in just having it. Even if the sensory aspect of reading this book was the primary argument, preserving it in a plastic container would be the best way to go. That would keep the newsprint smell, brightness of the paper, gloss of the cover, etc. in as good of shape as possible. The only thing that "slabbing" it does is preserve the grade if it remains sealed. The book is readily available to look at any time the owner wants though. They just have to be willing to forfeit that grade.
But the condition is what makes this book different than the FF or Captain America books that are well read. It would be one thing if there were no other ways to read the story but I think it's not a blanket issue. A Marvel Comics #1 graded at 9.2 is more than just a comic book. Should a double dye penny just be spent as 1 cent? Or that upside down misprint stamp just be put on an envelope and mailed? Or a Honus Wagner baseball card be put in the spokes of a bicycle? Or pass around a first edition of the Gideon Bible at church? These are all ways to enjoy and/or use these items as they were intended but at some point, they move into a different category and a $100,000 anything, can realistically get different treatment than a $1.00 version of a similar item and the owner should not be criticized for valuing a...well, treasure.
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John Peter Britton
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At the end of the day if that person wants to spend a million pounds on a comic book thats his or her choice who am i to judge what is wrong or right in this insane world we live in.
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Brad Krawchuk
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I'm all for someone paying me a 100k for any comic that I own. In fact, for 100k I'll gladly sell all my comics!
Now, to find a sucker willing to pay that much for a single long box full of books that came out within the last 5 years.
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Ed Deans
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From comments, it seems folks are overlooking the important fact the buyer in the case did personally inspect the issue before it was sealed. Were I the buyer, I would want to inspect it as well. If a seller wouldn't agree to that condition, they'd have to locate another buyer for the entombed comic.
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John Byrne
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The "value" is artificial.++ Well, sure. You could say that about anything that's "valuable". I mean,
couldn't you say the same thing about gold? •• In a word, no. There's a reason we refer to "the gold standard". Gold, and
other precious metals, have, basically, earned their place, thru thousands
of years of trading in diverse and often unconnected cultures. Gold has
been deemed precious for many reasons, scarcity being high among them.
As such it makes a good basis on which to build entire economies. Is the
"value" arbitrary? Sure. But at least, unlike comics, it's not based on an
entirely false perception.
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John Byrne
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From comments, it seems folks are overlooking the important fact the
buyer in the case did personally inspect the issue before it was sealed. •• I did miss that point. But it makes little difference. Once the comic is
sealed up, a substantial portion of its artificially declared "value" springs
from that "entombment". The next idiot in line will have to make his choice
to buy based on whether or not the seal will be broken -- and you can bet
that will become part of the mix. How many times books have been sealed
and unsealed will end up becoming part of the way their "worth" is
calculated. And, let's face it, the potential for fraud increases exponentially with each
exchange.
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John Byrne
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Heck, for that price you could pull a Wayne and have JB draw you a whole
comic!********* More like a whole mini series. •• This was precisely my inspiration for offering that "service". When MARVEL
COMICS 1 sold at auction for the then unheard of price of $20,000, Roger
Stern declared his disgust, saying that for that kind of money you could get
Stan Lee and John Buscema to produce a whole comicbook for you, and
you'd be the only one who had it! This is why I am amazed by the disparity in the sale prices of old comics
and the original art that was used to produce them. In recent years we
have seen original art creep up in price, but these one-of-a-kind items
still sell for much less than the comics they appeared in. Where's the sense
in that? It's akin to being offered a chance to by the Mona Lisa, but
opting instead to pay more for a copy of the first art history book in
which the painting was reproduced.
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Anthony Frail
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I've never understood wanting to buy an expensive comic book when reproductions are available to be read, but since it doesn't seem to hurt anyone, I can't see the harm in people going nuts for old comic books. "A fool and his money..."
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