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Joe Zhang
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I think the CGC slab is made to be opened, but not resealable. The expectation is that you'd send it back to CGC and pay for it be re-examined.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 2
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I think the CGC slab is made to be opened, but not resealable. The
expectation is that you'd send it back to CGC and pay for it be re-examined.
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Sure. Anything to make more money off the minibrains who'd have their
books slabbed to begin with.
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Vinny Valenti
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"Would YOU buy something you could not personally examine?"
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Never ever....I would never buy clothes online, either, on the same principle. In the case of CGC, how does one know that the person who slabbed it didnt rip out a page or two beforehand or something?
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John Peter Britton
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:40am | IP Logged | 4
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I would rather spend the money on owning a original piece of a Jack Kirby Hulk page i have had those comics in my youth and i don't think they are worth that kind of money!
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Pablo Lainez
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 10:56am | IP Logged | 5
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I understand there is a market for this, as others said it must be 'worth' that if somebody is willing to pay that kind of money and I believe comicbooks are part of the cultural heritage, but I found the general tone of the article pretty funny (a little bit The Onion-esque): 'Pedigree Comics President and CEO Doug Schmell', 'landmark transaction', 'both sides are extremely happy', etc..you would think they just got rid of all nuclear weapons in the world...
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Arc Carlton
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 6
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Ah yes, one day my GCG 9.8 Spawn #1 will make me a rich man. ________________________ You can count on it. And that day I'll be knocking at your door, asking for a small loan ...
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Andy Mokler
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I'm sad to say that there is a gray area here. It's one thing to slab a Guardians of the Galaxy #27 but I can't say that I'm against protecting and preserving something this valuable.
Now, CGC charging different prices to grade different books is the scam but I'm also not against deferring to a professional grader on something like this. It isn't sealed in acrylic, never to be opened again but I'd damn sure have that thing in a moisture controlled, safe or deposit box.
I'd do the same if I had a Detective #27 too. I understand enjoying something but I'm not going to drive to the supermarket and leave a Ferrari out for shopping carts and 100 degree weather to damage either. It isn't even a good analogy though. Paper can become very fragile and fingertip oils can damage something like this. By "enjoying" it, it can actually---eventually, cease to exist.
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 8
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Honestly, I've heard too many horror stories about CGC to want a book that had been "inspected" by them. Missing pages, coupons torn out, tears - and they still get a really high mark even though the person getting it appraised knows it isn't worth that.
So, what can the person do? They can't sell a CGC 8.9 copy of Amazing Spider-Man #14 if they know there's something wrong with it, because they'd be selling it under false pretenses. Then, as the seller, they could be sued for wrongfully presenting the book.
"Hey, CGC says this is 8.9 but I know there's a subscription coupon cut out and it wasn't stapled together flush so left side pages show on the right side a little. Wanna buy it for top dollar because CGC missed all that?"
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Andy Mokler
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I don't disagree or endorse CGC, but if I was buying a comic book, as familiar as I am with them in many ways, I wouldn't have a problem deferring to a professional grader. Whether or not that turned out to be CGC is debatable.
Getting a book graded for value is not always a bad thing is my point.
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John Byrne
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I can't say that I'm against protecting and preserving something this
valuable… Getting a book graded for value is not always a bad thing is
my point.•• The "value" is artificial. Remember when kids traded comics? I do,
and I did. And that is the only true value of these things. The
completely artificial market that has sprung up since the 1970s (roughly),
especially since the ludicrously misinformed Wall Street Journal
article that declared comics a "better investment than gold", is all about
arbitrary "values" attached to things that have no intrinsic worth beyond
the entertainment they provide. And before someone chirps up with the ridiculous defense I have heard
too many times before, no, hoarding and slabbing do not qualify as
"entertainment".
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Joe Hollon
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | 11
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"Now, time to take it out of the slab and read it!"
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The problem with that of course is that about $90,000 of the sale price is due to the plastic casing. Pretty ridiculous. I agree with JPB's comment about using the money to buy art instead. What's more valuable, a comic in really nice shape or the original art that produced that comic? Seems to me there really is no way to argue that the comic is more valuable/rare than the one-of-a-kind original art. You could probably buy the complete comic worth of Jack Kirby art for $100,000 (or not much over that).
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 30 November 2009 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 12
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Imagine how many Byrne commissions you could have for that much!
Heck, for that price you could pull a Wayne and have JB draw you a whole comic!
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