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Michael Penn
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Who would compare Spartans to the Nazis? **** The Nazis did.
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Brad Krawchuk
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The Nazis compared themselves to the Spartans to make themselves look historically significant and as if they were a part of a long, unbroken line of glory leading back to Greece.
They also compared themselves to Asgardians, Romans, and the very best of other cultures and nations. Lest we forget Shakespeare was originally written in the German.
My point is, the Nazis had no glory of their own, and no merit above being thugs under the whims of a dictator, and so of course they played up their own hype.
Doesn't mean they were JUST LIKE SPARTANS as if the two are interchangeable. If you look at how Europeans conquered and subjugated the Americas and kidnapped African slaves as workers, you could find similarities there, too. Are we going to accuse the French of being Nazis? The Spanish of being just like Spartans?
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Michael Penn
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There's plenty enough unpleasant about the Spartans without positing that there is "absolutely no difference" between them and the Nazis, and certainly no sense in the analogy in order to contrastingly glorify the ancient Persians as "just" and "heroes."
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Brad Krawchuk
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I agree.
Anthropology and history were two of my favourite topics in University, and it gets under my skin in a particular way when direct analogies are used between disparate societies across time. I don't mind similarities being discussed, but a civilization and a culture is a living thing in my mind, and no two are ever really identical.
Ignoring differences in technology, clothing, language, etc... Would a Spartan feel at home in Nazi German society? Would a Nazi feel at home in Sparta? NO! They're different animals, with different features and different purposes. It's less like comparing a tiger to a lion and more like comparing a tiger to a gorilla. Both dangerous, both mammals, both carnivores... but no one would really mistake one for the other.
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Martin Redmond
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What would Hitler think of this topic?
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Brad Krawchuk
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He'd either launch a surprise counter-offensive while we're all talking, or he'd shoot himself in frustration.
At least, that's what precedent tells us.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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In the Ashkenazi Jewish population (those of Eastern European descent) ------ Not generic.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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The Difference between the Spartans and the Nazis? The Spartans would have thrown 90 percent (or more) of the Nazi inner circle off a cliff when they were born. From my perspective the Nazis were driven by the worlds biggest inferiority complex. Hitler had this idea that the strongest people /culture would inevitably subjugate and destory all others. And his "urgent need" to destroy "jew culture" (by which he meant pretty much everyu\thing modern) was driven by his belief that in materialist terms it was more powerful and influential and more "fit to survive" (in social darwinist terms) as the lead culture (he needed to use a spititual justification model to "zero out" "jew culture" and make it "worthless.") Nazis worshipped Spartans. Spartans would've killed the Nazis on sight.
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Paul Gibney
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Brad Krawchuk wrote:
| Lest we forget Shakespeare was originally written in the German. |
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Brad, can you clarify this statement? I have to assume I'm misunderstanding what you are saying here...
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Brad Krawchuk
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Paul - Hitler once said Shakespeare was German. It was a joke in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country during the dinner scene where the Klingon General Chang played by Christopher Plummer said they should try Shakespeare in the original Klingon.
My point was merely that Hitler and his cronies tried to pump themselves up using whatever means necessary, so of COURSE Nazis would want to equate themselves with the proud warrior race of Sparta!
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Mike Farley
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Paul Gibney wrote:
Brad Krawchuk wrote:
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Brad, can you clarify this statement? I have to assume I'm misunderstanding what you are saying here... |
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Yeah, everyone knows Shakespeare was written in Klingon. "taH pagh, taH be"
Edited by Mike Farley on 22 November 2009 at 12:04am
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Ian M. Palmer
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The Nazis didn't do any of that. •• Did you type that with a straight face? Parts that apply to the Nazis highlighted for your reading pleasure: Please explain to me how a completely undemocratic group of
people who keep an entire sub-culture of slaves, which they hunt
and ritually abuse, who make war on everyone around them, including
their fellow {Germans}, who have bizarre notions of military and
racial supremacy, including killing their infants if they're not up to
the racial ideal, are any different from the Nazis. Well... They didn't keep slaves domestically, and I haven't heard that they killed their own infants. So they didn't do some of that. IMP.
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