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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 12:12am | IP Logged | 1
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And being from scandinavia myself, Lars, I have never heard anything of this being mentioned at any time, in school or otherwise, and the academic world certainly wouldn't touch this crap with a two foot pole even.
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Chris Geary Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 January 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1158
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 12:18am | IP Logged | 2
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Korush,
Thanks for the lengthy response, but you still haven't answered my question.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7786
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 1:20am | IP Logged | 3
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Hitler wasn't a jew - jews aren't a "race", it's a belief, a religion which Hitler didn't subscribe to. (To put it mildly) ************************************************************ ****************************** It's both
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Koroush Ghazi Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 October 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 1681
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 2:14am | IP Logged | 4
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Emery Calame wrote:
Yeah, you can pretty much stop now. |
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In the portion you quote I meant Afghanistan not Iraq. Also I am going to stop now, but not for the reasons you want, simply because I have dragged this thread way off topic and out of respect for Mr. Byrne I don't want this thread to get any worse on my account.
Chris Geary wrote:
Thanks for the lengthy response, but you still haven't answered my question. |
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The short answer is 42.
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Jim Muir Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 June 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1373
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 2:48am | IP Logged | 5
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Breaking News: Hollywood Movie Factually Incorrect.
Full story at 10.
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 4:02am | IP Logged | 6
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Hitler wasn't a jew - jews aren't a "race", it's a belief, a religion which Hitler didn't subscribe to. (To put it mildly) ************************************************************ ****************************** It's both ************************************************************ ****************************** Not from a genetics point of view. There's nothing that separates jews genetically.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12709
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 4:37am | IP Logged | 7
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>>...the just have become portrayed as the despots, and the villains the heroes...<< **** The ancient Persians were "just" and the ancient Spartans were "villains" -- again, your black & white bias is clear. But these astonishingly broad strokes have even less to do with history than Miller's 300. **** >>The Americans were invading Afghanistan to force cities unwilling to submit to their Imperial rule to do just that, and the Taliban repelled them.
Would you accept a sentence like that in isolation? Because it is factual in many ways, but not quite the whole story, is it? Amazing things facts - content taken out of context always distorts reality.<< American Imperial rule? That's factual in many ways, is it? Yes, amazing. The Persian Empire conquered other peoples by force for land, taxes, goods, resources, etc. -- nothing especially unusual in its time. Some peoples, including some Greeks, didn't mind paying tribute and being led by tyrants (old meaning of the word) chosen by the Persians, as long as they could partake of the benefits of that Empire. But other peoples, not just the Greeks of famous repute, rebelled against the Persians because they wanted indepedence. Whether those peoples were "heroes" or "villains" judged by subjective criteria is entirely different point. They wanted to rule themselves, they wanted to fight for that freedom, and that's what they did.
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 5:02am | IP Logged | 8
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I'm starting to understand why the Middle East is a total shitbox of war and conflict. Koroush is getting pissed off about battles that were fought 3000 years ago.
Hell, the Americans fought the British a short 200+ years ago and they're best of friends now. Canada burned down part of the White House in the War of 1812, and we're close like brothers now. England and France fought for centuries and they're real good chums now too. The Cold War ended a scant 20 years ago, and though Russia under Putin is nobody's idea of great, we're not exactly two seconds away from blowing up the planet with each-other anymore.
Persia tried to invade Sparta 3000 years ago, and suddenly Spartans are being compared to Nazis and we're all a bunch of hicks for not thinking Persia was the greatest civilization ever.
THAT's a stretch.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:09am | IP Logged | 9
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Mikael Bergkvist wrote:
Not from a genetics point of view. There's nothing that separates jews genetically. |
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Good to know. I'll make sure to tell that to Tay-Sachs and Cystic Fibrosis, and maybe they will leave us alone. http ://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Health/genetics.html
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:25am | IP Logged | 10
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That a group have a certaint trait doesn't make a 'race'. If so, scandinavians would qualify for any number of reasons. That link was just stupid.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 7:57am | IP Logged | 11
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Much easier to say that Jews are both an ethnic group (as opposed to "race") and a religion. There is more than religion to it, as there are quite a few secular jews. And if you're not ethnically a jew (at least partially) it is very difficult to be accepted as a convert. Unlike christianity and islam, judaism doesn't proselytize. The term "race" has been used about jews so long, that it is perhaps difficult to realise that it's a very loose use of the term "race" that in the modern vernacular is best covered by "ethnic group". In terms of what we generally see as "racial characteristics" of outward appearance, Jews span a continuum that exceeds that of the entire Caucasian "race". It in fact goes into all three of the major "race" subdivisions. But this is just a digression from a digression of a digression. The point being that whatever we define a Jew as being, there is no credible evidence that Hitler was one.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 November 2009 at 8:15am | IP Logged | 12
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Mikael Bergkvist wrote:
That a group have a certaint trait doesn't make a 'race'. If so, scandinavians would qualify for any number of reasons.That link was just stupid. |
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I was responding specifically to your assertion that there was no distinction for jews genetically, and I responded specifically with a post about genetic diseases among Ashkenazi Jews. Which is why I quoted you saying 'genetics' and 'genetically' and not the bit about 'race,' which I wasn't commenting on. Stupid? The link, as my father would say, is of average intelligence. At any rate, a search under 'ashkenazi genetic diseases' turns up a mere 60,000 responses, so I guess you're right: no genetic differences. The next time my wife brings home a brochure from the doctor telling me all of the wonderful things I'm possibly heir to, I'll tell her that Mikael from the Byrne forum says it's stupid.
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