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Rich Rice
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 3:49am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

So... show me a panel where an entire leg or arm of Blue Bolt is blue, with no spotted blacks???

I can show you one of Ditko's Spider-Man.
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 4:28am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Here you go.


Bolt's arm has no more spotted black than Reed's arm. But you know what? It doesn't matter. Black Bolt's costume is not blue, regardless of what even Jack Kirby may have done in a given image in a given page of a given comic 40 years ago. Highlights of Black Panther's costume weren't typically rendered as gray (although his costume was black/gray in Steranko's Captain America run) because as it was explained in the letters pages at the time, gray "muddied up in print" and was unusable.

This all comes down to limitations of the product. A person might as well ask why Star Trek characters Anne Mullhall, Miranda Jones and Katherine Pulaski all look like they were played by the same person. Television has limited casting, comics have (or had) limited palettes.

People either get it or they won't...

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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:00am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I thought Ditko was on record as saying Spider-Man was originally red and black?

I thought the colours changed over (a relatively short amount of) time because filling in all that black was the job of the inker, and it was left open for the colorist to put blue in instead because it was less work?

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Not once did I ever think that Superman had blue hair. That's just silly.

However, I am guilty of thinking that Patrick McGoohan's blazer on "The Prisoner" was black. Imagine my surprise to learn years later the jacket was actually dark brown. I still have a hard time processing that against years of preconceptions...
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:45am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I don't think there's a "rule" for this.

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Exactly right!

Comics are a language of shorthand, and it behooves the readers to play
along with that shorthand, not to question it. Unfortunately, there is a
strata of fandom that, pretty much from the beginning, has demanded
logic where logic simply could not exist (largely due to the
limitations of the form). Sadly, as the audience has shrunk, the numbers
of these particular fans have remained largely constant, and so their
percentage in the populace (and therefore their "volume") has increased.

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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:51am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

However, I am guilty of thinking that Patrick McGoohan's blazer on "The
Prisoner" was black. Imagine my surprise to learn years later the jacket
was actually dark brown. I still have a hard time processing that against
years of preconceptions...


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There we run into a different question. Was it dark brown because it was
meant to be dark brown, or was it dark brown because that was the color
they could be sure would photograph as black?

In the early days of color TV, a lot of tricks were needed to get the
images to look as they were supposed to. On BONAZA, there was a crew
of painters whose job was to spray down all the trees in the foreground
of exterior shots with yellow! This was not to give the impression the
Ponderosa had trees with yellow foliage, but to be sure they looked green
on the home screen! Similarly, George Reeves' Superman costume in the
black and white episodes was actually shades of brown, to be sure
distinct shades of gray would appear on screen. (The values of the red
and blue in Superman's costume are so close they ten to appear as the
same shade of gray in black and white -- the red of his chest emblem
almost disappears against the blue of his shirt.)

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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:07am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Here's one to get some people frothing at the mouth -- Captain Kirk's tunic: gold or green?
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:13am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Captain Kirk's tunic: gold or green?

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Again, here I go with the color it appeared on screen.

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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:01am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

And I'm the one deliberately missing the point?

yes.
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

The "mutant gene" even works with color-blindness. Amazing! I always have trouble with dark blue and black. I think some pants I'm wearing are black, no, they're Navy blue, milady says. This blue tie goes with these pants then, right? No, that tie is black. I never could see those hidden images in 3D posters. I still can't see Darkseid either. I really need glasses.
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:35am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I never really gave much thought to the whole color vs highlight debate. Oddly enough though, after years and years of reading the Curt Swan Superman, one of the first details I noticed about the Byrne version was that the highlights in his hair were colored grey instead of blue! Such an odd thing to notice, really.
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I think these color debates are always interesting .
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