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Rich Rice Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 3:49am | IP Logged | 1
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So... show me a panel where an entire leg or arm of Blue Bolt is blue, with no spotted blacks???
I can show you one of Ditko's Spider-Man.
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 4:28am | IP Logged | 2
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Here you go. Bolt's arm has no more spotted black than Reed's arm. But you know what? It doesn't matter. Black Bolt's costume is not blue, regardless of what even Jack Kirby may have done in a given image in a given page of a given comic 40 years ago. Highlights of Black Panther's costume weren't typically rendered as gray (although his costume was black/gray in Steranko's Captain America run) because as it was explained in the letters pages at the time, gray "muddied up in print" and was unusable.
This all comes down to limitations of the product. A person might as well ask why Star Trek characters Anne Mullhall, Miranda Jones and Katherine Pulaski all look like they were played by the same person. Television has limited casting, comics have (or had) limited palettes. People either get it or they won't...
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:00am | IP Logged | 3
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I thought Ditko was on record as saying Spider-Man was originally red and black?
I thought the colours changed over (a relatively short amount of) time because filling in all that black was the job of the inker, and it was left open for the colorist to put blue in instead because it was less work?
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 July 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2711
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:43am | IP Logged | 4
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Not once did I ever think that Superman had blue hair. That's just silly.
However, I am guilty of thinking that Patrick McGoohan's blazer on "The Prisoner" was black. Imagine my surprise to learn years later the jacket was actually dark brown. I still have a hard time processing that against years of preconceptions...
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133279
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:45am | IP Logged | 5
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I don't think there's a "rule" for this.•• Exactly right! Comics are a language of shorthand, and it behooves the readers to play along with that shorthand, not to question it. Unfortunately, there is a strata of fandom that, pretty much from the beginning, has demanded logic where logic simply could not exist (largely due to the limitations of the form). Sadly, as the audience has shrunk, the numbers of these particular fans have remained largely constant, and so their percentage in the populace (and therefore their "volume") has increased.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:51am | IP Logged | 6
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However, I am guilty of thinking that Patrick McGoohan's blazer on "The Prisoner" was black. Imagine my surprise to learn years later the jacket was actually dark brown. I still have a hard time processing that against years of preconceptions... ••
There we run into a different question. Was it dark brown because it was meant to be dark brown, or was it dark brown because that was the color they could be sure would photograph as black? In the early days of color TV, a lot of tricks were needed to get the images to look as they were supposed to. On BONAZA, there was a crew of painters whose job was to spray down all the trees in the foreground of exterior shots with yellow! This was not to give the impression the Ponderosa had trees with yellow foliage, but to be sure they looked green on the home screen! Similarly, George Reeves' Superman costume in the black and white episodes was actually shades of brown, to be sure distinct shades of gray would appear on screen. (The values of the red and blue in Superman's costume are so close they ten to appear as the same shade of gray in black and white -- the red of his chest emblem almost disappears against the blue of his shirt.)
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9704
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:07am | IP Logged | 7
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Here's one to get some people frothing at the mouth -- Captain Kirk's tunic: gold or green?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 6:13am | IP Logged | 8
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Captain Kirk's tunic: gold or green?•• Again, here I go with the color it appeared on screen.
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Brad Teschner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 June 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3933
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:01am | IP Logged | 9
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And I'm the one deliberately missing the point?
yes.
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Dave Pruitt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6162
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 10
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The "mutant gene" even works with color-blindness. Amazing! I always have trouble with dark blue and black. I think some pants I'm wearing are black, no, they're Navy blue, milady says. This blue tie goes with these pants then, right? No, that tie is black. I never could see those hidden images in 3D posters. I still can't see Darkseid either. I really need glasses.
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Ron Chevrier Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1641
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:35am | IP Logged | 11
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I never really gave much thought to the whole color vs highlight debate. Oddly enough though, after years and years of reading the Curt Swan Superman, one of the first details I noticed about the Byrne version was that the highlights in his hair were colored grey instead of blue! Such an odd thing to notice, really.
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Arc Carlton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: Peru Posts: 3493
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 12
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I think these color debates are always interesting .
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