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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:15pm | IP Logged | 1
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I prefer the original red and black Spider-Man outfit.
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JT Molloy
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | 2
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On Spider-Man, I prefer PITCH black. The way Erik Larsen or Romita Jr. often do it. No definition, just all black.
Also, add me to the list of people that as a young kid, understood that blue often meant black in comics. I don't get why so many people stubbornly want to be "correct" on this issue. What does that get you? Steet cred? You learn something, you take it in and go "huh, that's neat, guess I never looked at it that way", and you move on.
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Lars Sandmark
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 3
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Spider-Man's costume was BLACK & red right from the start.
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 4
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Don't get me wrong, I prefer pitch black too - it just looks cooler! But if the understood evolution of the inking/colouring of the character is taken into account, I'd much rather see a darker shade of blue used for Spider-Man.
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Brandon Scott Berthelot
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I just had my wife look at that Spider-Man cover and asked her what it looked like, she says blue. So I guess to most normal folks who have no idea of the printing limitations of the time they see the blue highlights and think blue.
I then explained it to her and mentioned the Superman hair thing and she said she would have figured that one out.
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Gary S. Lee
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | 6
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JB:Hulk's hair IS green. That's where the "mutant gene" kicks in -- being
able to tell when the highlight is the true color, and when it isn't.Black Panther - highlight is not true color Daredevil - highlight is true color Spider-Man - highlight is not true color Black Bolt - highlight is not true color Superman's hair - highlight is not true color Hulk's hair - highlight is true color ______________________________
Now I'm right with 5 of the 6 above, so I suppose I have a kind of recessive version of the "mutant gene" of which you speak. ---------------------------------------------------- Stephen Churay: I had figured out the highlight rule when it came to blue hair, but as ten year old boy I didn't perceive the exception. So to me the Hulk's hair was black and the green highlights came from his skin. Same applied to She-Hulk. To cement that idea into my head, Doc Samson's hair was not usually drawn the same way. So his hair really did look green and made the other two's hair seem black. ---------------------------------------------------- My thinking as well, Stephen.
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Michael Huber
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 7:11pm | IP Logged | 7
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I'm no graphix whiz, but I prefer a blacker Spider-Man. BTW it's both Spider Man and Spider-Man above?
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Joel Tesch
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | 8
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"So to me the Hulk's hair was black and the green highlights came from his skin. Same applied to She-Hulk. To cement that idea into my head, Doc Samson's hair was not usually drawn the same way. So his hair really did look green and made the other two's hair seem black." I was the same way too. In fact, I still "read" it that way. Mostly bc black is by far the predominant color the Hulk and She-Hulk's hair (the same way it is with Superman's hair). Most people don't read Doc Sampson's hair the same way bc it is portrayed completely differently...the hair is entirely (or mostly) green.
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Brad Brickley
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| Posted: 08 November 2009 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | 9
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I never thought about it until I got on this here internet. I just knew what the colors were. The only one where I didn't know the original was Spider-Man. From TV (Electric Company, Spider-Man TV show and cartoons) and the coloring of the comics at the time, Spider-Man appeared blue and red. I only figured it out after I picked up one of my favorite comics of all time from the back issue bins back in 1982 for $10.00, a beat up copy of Spider-Man Annual #1. I must have had the mutant gene to see what were short cuts for publishers. I also remember not getting to upset about mistakes in comics because shit happens. Comics are supposed to be fun. So have fun.
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Rich Rice
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Please, people. The Spidey costume on Amazing Fantasy 15 is NOT red and black. The drawing has a fill of black, simplifying shadow and half-tone to one graphic statement. But that does not mean it's black. It means delineation of light and shadow been reduced. -To define this costume as black, you'd have to use gray as the intermediary between the deepest black and the rim-lit planes, printed as blue. And the resulting image would look like crap on a stick.
All shadow in comics is reduced to black, regardless of the form color. To identify the form color, you don't look to the light. Or the shadow. It's the half-tone that defines the form color.
The proper half light for Amazing Fantasy 15 would be a deeper blue. Not gray. Grab your crayolas and try it.
Hence, not black leggings. -Not black. No matter how much india ink went into the making of that image... Eeeet esse Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
C'mon people. Let's get with the program.
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Lars Johansson
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| Posted: 09 November 2009 at 1:50am | IP Logged | 11
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The Spidey costume on Amazing Fantasy 15 is NOT red and black. That's beacuse he doesn't want to look like his friends Supey and Batty.
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Christopher Hart
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Also, Jack Kirby drew that cover. He wasn't really involved in the creative process or anything. I remember a very early issue of amazing, and there was a pin up of spider-man, and there was hardly any black.
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