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Marcus Hiltz Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1032
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 1
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Is there really anywhere out there dumb enough to think Superman has blue hair??
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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My guess is it takes more time to fill in all the black.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133248
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 3
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Is there really anywhere out there dumb enough to think Superman has blue hair?? ••
Yes. Many of them. During the time I was working on the character, I met several fans, a different ages, who asked why people could not tell Clark was Superman, since they both had blue hair. And during my time on the book, they didn't!!!
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 4
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He could be Bruce Wayne or even Dick Grayson, They have blue hair too!!!!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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My guess is it takes more time to fill in all the black.•• Correct. Try this simple exercise: draw the outline of, say, a teardrop shape about an inch an a half high by an inch wide. Note how long it takes you to do it. Now do another one, same size, and black it it. Note how long that takes. As some of you know, I have taken to doing my black gutters and starscapes in Photoshop, as it gives a crisper edge, a more solid black -- and it takes less time. The other day, I came to an ANGEL page in the current job that was very black heavy. LA at night, Angel in black, black gutters. I decided to apply the Photoshop technique, carefully drew the edges of all the black areas (no gaps!), scanned the page and click click click, it was done. In about half the time it would have taken filling in the blacks with ink. Next day I was chatting on the phone with Terry Austin, and he mentioned that he sometimes found himself wishing he could do this, but, as he put it, "I'm Fred Flintstone, not George Jetson!"
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | 6
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The "blue hair" thing can become truly insane sometimes, too.When I was working on X-MEN, Chris and I did a backup story about Storm and the Black Panther. If featured a hitman, hired by a White African landowner, shooting at Ororo as she walked thru Harlem. I drew a lean faced, narrow featured guy with short hair left open for color. The colorist decided that the White badguy had hired a Black assassin to kill Storm, and colored the guy's skin brown and his hair blue. You could almost hear the thought process -- "Gee! Byrne forgot to black in this guy's hair! I'll fix it!" Later, when working on STARBRAND I included Roger Price, then the head of MidOhioCon and a good buddy, as a character. Again, short hair, left open for color. Which the colorist decided was blue. At least Roger stayed White! Part of the problem is that for some colorists, at least in days of yore, the primaries were default colors. "When in doubt, make it blue!" This is how brown-eyed Benjamin Grimm became blue-eyed Benjamin Grimm.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 7
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The first two I can understand -- not agree with, but understand -- but the third makes no sense at all to me. Why would the Hulk (who has turned green all over) not have green hair? What color is Doc Samson's hair? Or She-Hulk's? ==== Well I started collecting in the early 80's. I had figured out the highlight rule when it came to blue hair, but as ten year old boy I didn't perceive the exception. So to me the Hulk's hair was black and the green highlights came from his skin. Same applied to She-Hulk. To cement that idea into my head, Doc Samson's hair was not usually drawn the same way. So his hair really did look green and made the other two's hair seem black.
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 April 2009 Location: United States Posts: 3082
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | 8
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So what are all the changes that have become permanent? Spider-man's and the X-men's outfits, Ben's eyes, does Batman's outfit count?
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William Lukash Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1405
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:53pm | IP Logged | 9
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I started reading Spider-Man in the '70s, and Spider-Man's costume was blue. When I went back to read the originals I still saw a blue and red costume with black webbing. The Hulk's hair was always dark green, nearly black, in my mind.
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5819
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 10
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Spider-Man has become a special case in my mind, because while it started out black and then became blue, in my mind it became too blue.
I've got a coat that's a darker shade of blue, and looks so in daylight, but any time around sunset it become nigh impossible to determine if it's black or blue, even though I'm the person wearing it. I've worn it out on evenings and had people comment on my new black coat.
That, to me, is the colour Spider-Man's "blues" should be. During the day, it appears blue, and at night, it's black with blue highlights.
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Rich Rice Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 April 2008 Posts: 195
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 11
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Form principle:
Lit planes are the color of the form + the color of the light.
Half tone planes (most often but not absolute) represent the true form color and the form color at its highest chroma.
Shadow = the color of the from reduced in chroma and value + the color of reflected (lights).
Since the comic page reduces the elements of light and shadow to poster notation, the reduction in spectra confounds reading the 'true' color of forms. We would have a better read and understanding of a form's color by rendering it in a media using full value/full chroma and hue. Superman's hair is black. If you painted the half-tone of his hair in blue, high chroma, it would look false. Spider-Man's leggings are blue. To represent his leggings as black, you would need to render the half-tone of his pants as gray. No one would do that. Black Bolt, on the other hand can and would be rendered as gray in its halftone. So while his highlights -and Spider-Man's highlights would be similar, they are not of the same hue family.
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Christopher Hart Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 August 2009 Posts: 132
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | 12
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I'm pretty sure Spider-Man's costume was always blue, not black.
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