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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | 1
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A "black"-named character, ya know, what other color would he be?++ Black Goliath? •• Are you saying Black Goliath isn't Black? Marvel played the "Black" name both ways -- costume color and race. The Black Panther wasn't called Black because he was a Negro, but Black Goliath was. The latter struck me as more than a tad racist.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 2
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I understand your point JB. But, in a lot of cases, by the time I started to read comics the highlight color was no longer just the highlight but was the main color. It's not until I collected back issues that I realized differently. Now in a lot of cases, common sense comes into play and I realize that Superman's hair in not blue, and that the Black Panther's uniform is black. But growing up, Spider-Man's outfit was red and blue. Power Man's pants were blue and the Hulk's hair was black. In some cases I think you're right, in others I think the colorists just did a bad job at getting this particular point across.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 3
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Spider-Man's outfit was red and blue. Power Man's pants were blue and the Hulk's hair was black.•• The first two I can understand -- not agree with, but understand -- but the third makes no sense at all to me. Why would the Hulk (who has turned green all over) not have green hair? What color is Doc Samson's hair? Or She-Hulk's?
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 4
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Both Superman and Black Goliath had blue-highlighted hair. That was the standard convention, quite beyond race portrayals and the trend of attendant nomenclature some 35 years ago.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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I wonder if some element of this springs from the shift in population percentage among fandom to the one who love to dig for mistakes in every issue they get -- and who, when failing to find mistakes, then flip over to the other side and assume that everything on the page with which they cannot find fault must be that way because it is what the creators of the page intended.Thus, despite all evidence to the contrary (assuming they care enough about actual history, as distinct from "continuity" to have bothered to take a look) they will assume Spider-Man's costume turned from black to blue because of a deliberate choice, not because Steve Ditko was chasing deadlines. (Same reason the amount of webbing on the costume diminished.) The X-Men's school uniforms changed from black to blue for a like reason. And then there's just sloppiness, as when (as noted recently) Northstar and Aurora turn BLONDE!!!
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 17698
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 6
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I can't recall ever having any trouble telling what the "main" color on a character was. I still don't get why some people think Storm's original costume was white!
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Ian M. Palmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 7
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Both Superman and Black Goliath had blue-highlighted hair. That was the standard convention, quite beyond race portrayals and the trend of attendant nomenclature some 35 years ago. I looked up some images online, and you're right. Black Goliath has brown skin and blue hair. Astonishing. I also found that Bill Foster, killed about five minutes ago for no really good reason, has already been replaced by an almost indistinguishable character. What was the point in all that, then? IMP.
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Ian M. Palmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 8
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A "black"-named character, ya know, what other color would he be? ++ Black Goliath? •• Are you saying Black Goliath isn't Black? Only that he's not the same colour as Black Bolt. IMP.
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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 9
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ya mean Black Bolt isn't black!
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Ian M. Palmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 10
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Well, he's not the same colour as... Oh, well. IMP.
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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | 11
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Love Black Bolt!
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 November 2009 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | 12
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they will assume Spider-Man's costume turned from black to blue because of a deliberate choice, not because Steve Ditko was chasing deadlines. (Same reason the amount of webbing on the costume diminished.) The X-Men's school uniforms changed from black to blue for a like reason. Can you please explain why it's easier to draw if it isn't black.
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