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Don Zomberg
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It was in Amazing Spider-Man #241 that Marvel finally got around to restoring the black in the character's costume. For years he was stuck with red and "light" blue colors, which work fine for Superman, but not Spider-Man.
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Christopher Hart
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"Actually, he drew him white. Ditko was not the colorist." Fair enough. But, Ditko most likely intended for that white space to be blue Even in your example, I see red and blue, but that's probably because I'm SO used to it.
Edited by Christopher Hart on 26 November 2009 at 10:03am
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Michael Todd
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 3
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From the latest issue of Ms. Marvel (Ms. Marvel #47) Spider-Man's costume is colored red & black throughout the entire issue, no blue highlights.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 4
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Even in your example, I see red and blue…•• And to take us back to the beginning of this thread… 
…the Blue Panther?
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 5
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When I see Black Panther like that, I somehow think that because of the way the blue is rendered he's wearing a costume made of velvet. Black velvet - don't get me wrong, I'm not mistaking the colour here - but the way the "shorthand" is used in that particular picture evokes a different sheen that just a glossy black or flat black costume. It looks... velvety.
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Vinny Valenti
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"That page neatly demonstrates Ditko's original intent, in fact. Parker's
trousers are left open for color, except where in shadow."
Huh. That's a very good point, and a perfect panel-to-panel comparison.
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Joe Martino
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This happened with me early on. People assumed that Shadowflame was Blue and White when he was actually black and white. Below you can see how he was originally colored. Now I have him colored in Grays. Just to stop the confusion. 
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 11:32am | IP Logged | 8
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Interesting to note that when he first appeared, in FANTASTIC FOUR,
T'Challa also had gray highlights. But, as I have mentioned, gray is a K-
tone, and in the old letterpress days, cost extra.
When I had him appear during my run on FF, I used zipatone to make his
highlights gray. Neal Adams had done something similar on an issue of
BRAVE AND BOLD, but on the gray parts of Batman's costume. At that point,
they had turned a kind of pinkish tone. (Neal also used a rub-on zip, rather than the cut-and-trim kind.)
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Brad Krawchuk
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 9
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I noticed a similar trend with the early X-Men uniforms in that they started out yellow and black, but became yellow and blue over time as Kirby left more space to fill by the inker.
I think, like Ditko on Spider-Man, that since Kirby was just plain drawing so many comics a month (didn't Ditko also work on Dr. Strange and other books while doing Amazing?) that taking all that time to fill in the blacks to send them to the inker was too much. Now, the inker was also working on a lot of books, and instead of filling in the whole area with ink, they left it open for the colourist... who promptly filled it with the "highlight" colour blue.
Is that about right? I'm just thinking that for all the books they were publishing with such a small group of guys, time-saving was pretty big on the agenda.
Edited by Brad Krawchuk on 26 November 2009 at 11:50am
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John Byrne
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I noticed a similar trend with the early X-Men uniforms in that they
started out yellow and black, but became yellow and blue over time as
Kirby left more space to fill by the inker. •• Kirby's work at Marvel in those days would have been what today we
would call breakdowns. Here's a newspaper strip he worked on around
the same time, which demonstrates the contributions of the inker (Wally
Wood): 
The X-Men's uniforms turned from black to blue when Paul Reinman left
the book and Chic Stone came aboard. I'm a big fan of Stone's inks over
Kirby, but he was very much from the ink-only-what's-on-the-page
school. (I ran into a few inkers like that over the years -- tho considerably less
talented than Stone. When I did breakdowns at DC, for instance, several
inkers treated them as full pencils and inked only what I had drawn. The
resultant books looked like coloring books -- and, of course, caught all
kinds of flak for ME, from fans who didn't know what was going on.)
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Chris Geary
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| Posted: 26 November 2009 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 11
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Coming to the party late on this one, when I was a wee lad, I was under the impression that Spider-Man's costume was Red and Blue.
The reason for this is purely because the first image I have of him is from a jigsaw puzzle that I had from the late seventies. It was the Scorpion - but I didn't know who he was, attacking Aunt May in a hospital room - and I didn't know who she was, to me she was some old lady in a bed, with Spider-Man trying to stop him. And the only reason I knew he was Spider-Man was the fact it said it on the lid, and I put two and two together because of the webs on his costume.
But I've never liked the costume when it was 'blue' it always looked too childish to me. Even back then. (late 70's) In some respects I still see him as having a blue costume because of that image. I prefer that he is actually wearing black, and I liked the images of him better when it was just a blue highlight, Although because of the conditioning I had from that earlier image, I saw it as it being Navy, not black. Whenever I've drawn him, and it's been a few years since I have, I always put as much black on his as possible, just because it looks better.
But in all the other examples that have been featured, I've never had a problem seeing what the colour is. Storm wears black leather, Black Panther wears black lycra (or whatever it's made out of), and Mary-Jane is a red head.
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Christopher Hart
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| Posted: 27 November 2009 at 5:33am | IP Logged | 12
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I understand that Spider-Man's costume was originally black, but it has been blue for so much longer. Red and black is no longer the true costume. Which is the true costume?
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