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James Woodcock
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:50am \| IP Logged \| 1

Also a good point by JB - what happened there was a retcon. THIS in Spider-Man was planned from the get go.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:51am \| IP Logged \| 2

Wouldn't it have been easier for Alicia Masters to just leave Johnny? She had to be a Skrull?

I don't get it.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:51am \| IP Logged \| 3

Now don't get me wrong it is very unethical of Chameleon to sleep with someone's wife or to get someone to sleep with him. This by definition though isn't what rape is…

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The Chameleon used the equivalent of a date-rape drug. He tricked the girl into having sex with him. How is that not rape?

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:52am \| IP Logged \| 4

Sorry JB - didn't mean to go that route, will stop here.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:52am \| IP Logged \| 5

Wouldn't it have been easier for Alicia Masters to just leave Johnny? She had to be a Skrull?

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It would have been a lot easier! Made a lot more sense to. A little bit of overthinking it seems on Tom's part.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:54am \| IP Logged \| 6

DeFalco used a "comicbook" solution to a real world problem. Always a cop-out.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:56am \| IP Logged \| 7

I have to think so, too. It looks like DeFalco didn't actually want to bother with characterization.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:58am \| IP Logged \| 8

So DeFalco assumed that people couldn't handle a break up of two characters without there being an underhanded reason for it (her being a Skrull)?

It all just sounds really lazy on his part.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:00am \| IP Logged \| 9

So DeFalco assumed that people couldn't handle a break up of twocharacters without there being an underhanded reason for it (her beinga Skrull)?

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Honestly, I think it was more than DeFalco thought that Alicia leaving Ben and hooking up with Johnny was out of character for her. (I disagree with that, but I think that was his perspective). And so he came up with an explanation for why she was acting differently than he thought she should be: it wasn't her.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:17am \| IP Logged \| 10

I thought Alicia and Johnny was out of her thus far established character, but I thought that things like that DO happen and remained confident JB would do all the involved parties justice.
DeFalco's Scrull solution was just ridiculous, no matter if his not liking the concept of Johnny and Alicia together was justified or not.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:47am \| IP Logged \| 11

Steve D. wrote:

Honestly, I think it was more than DeFalco thought that Alicia leavingBen and hooking up with Johnny was out of character for her. (Idisagree with that, but I think that was his perspective). And so hecame up with an explanation for why she was acting differently than hethought she should be: it wasn't her.

Hmmm...I think I'd prefer the reason of laziness.

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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:51am \| IP Logged \| 12

Lyja (Skrull-Alicia) was one of the many awesome Marvel characters from that era. Right up there with Cable and Bloodwulf.

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