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Wallace Sellars
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I read SHAZAM Archives volume 1 reprinting the original appearances of
Captain Marvel and I do recall there were a lot of instances where he would
just suddenly call down the power of Shazam, turn into Captain Marvel and
all the people around him would seem to not notice.
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I thought the magical lightning left most people so befuddled that
they were never able to put two and two together.
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Matt Reed
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Taavi Suhonen wrote:
| I don't recall them ever suggesting Sabertooth was Nightcrawler's father - the only father candidates I remember are the baron, the demon from Hell and Mystique herself with Destiny as the mother. Sabertooth is the father of mutant hater Graydon Creed, another one of Mystique's children, so that might be what you were thinking of. |
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Unless it's no longer canon, the demon Azazel is his father as written by Chuck Austen. Terrible story. Nighcrawler wasn't just cursed by looking different from everyone else, but was the offspring of a shape changing mutant mother and an actual demon.
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John Byrne
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Nighcrawler wasn't just cursed by looking different from everyone else, but
was the offspring of a shape changing mutant mother and an actual demon.
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So, by the definitions in place in the Marvel Universe, he's not a mutant.
Funny, you'd think Professor X or even the Sentinels might have noticed.
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Eric Smearman
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Is there an emoticon for "eye rolling"?
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Matt Reed
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Right. In the same light, it's hard for me to accept that Siren, Banshee's daughter, is a mutant by the Marvel rules. Super powered offspring of superheroes/mutants don't qualify to me.
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Andrew W. Farago
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I don't know if that story's officially been discounted, but at the very least it falls into the category of "everyone thought this was a terrible idea and no one will ever make reference to it ever again."
I think another strike against that story (which I was fortunate enough not to read) is that it established Nightcrawler as being a teenager, or just barely out of his teens. I wouldn't say that he's in his forties or anything, but given his portrayal over the past 30 years in the comics, including his leadership stint in Excalibur, he just doesn't strike me as someone who would have joined the X-Men in his early teens and become the level-headed, philosophical leader of Excalibur by the time he hit 17.
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John Byrne
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Siren, since the mutation bred true, would technically be a case of
speciation. She would be the first of a new species.
This was the idea behind Sabretooth being Wolverine's father. The mutation
had bred true. I suggested it as an alternate explanation of why the
Sentinels had trouble precisely identifying Logan as a mutant. (Alternate to
Chris and Dave's idea of him being one of the High Evolutionary's Ani-Men,
something they had to abandon when Archie Goodwin, without knowing
their plans, used that as the origin of Spider-Woman.)
Of course, the definition of "mutant" in the MU has been mucked up for a
long time, mostly thanks to Chris playing fast and loose. Long enough that I
got a letter to FF once from a kid saying most sincerely that the FF were his
favorite mutants.
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Mike Howell
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Marvel.com lists Azazel as a mutant and other sites I have found list him as a Demonic Non Humanoid Mutant.
I think in the original story origin, Austen said the people he ruled, the Neyaphem lived in bibical times and because of their appearance are the basis of demons in the bible.
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Matt Reed
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QUOTE:
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This makes absolutely no sense.
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Troy Nunis
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eh, don't say i like it, but it makes sense if it's along the lines of the explaintion of how Warlock or Longshot are mutants - something in their genetic code made them Different from the rest of their species - they aren't human, but they are a mutation from . . whatever they are. so this Azazel didn't turn out like mommy & daddy, he's a mutant Demon.
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John Byrne
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And that's not actually Kandor, it's a same-scale model of Kandor that now
has an alien race living in it who happen to be that tiny naturally. . .
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Brad Brickley
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Not anymore...it's back to tiny Kryptonians. Or it was until they were let loose on Earth. You'd think Superman would be smarter than that.
He was back in the 60's when in an imaginary story he, or should I say they(Superman Red/Blue) returned them to normal.
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