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Wallace Sellars
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Oh, well... I'll always have those early SPIDER-MAN ESSENTIALS to reread...
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Arc Carlton
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Essentials are fine but I prefer the Marvel Masterworks volumes...
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Francesco Vanagolli
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John Byrne:
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| There is a strata of fandom that I find deeply disturbing --
the ones who rejoiced when Aunt May died, after years of demanding her death
(preferably in some horrible manner).
Of course I can pinpoint their reasoning (even if, perhaps, some of them
can't) with ease: it's the whole denied responsibility thing again. Somehow,
this strata of fandom, whilst loudly declaring itself to be the Greatest
Spider-Man Fans Ever completely miss the central core of the
character. Spider-Man is about anything
but denied responsibility. But for these "fans" -- and
anyone who so completely misses the point of a character cannot be considered a
true fan -- Aunt May represents exactly what they
don't want Peter to have, and what Stan made the very
cornerstone of the character in the very first story. They want Aunt May gone,
so Peter can just forget (and so can they) that "with
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I always wonder if these fans still have a family. What's the fun in the death of an old woman who raised a kid alone with her husband? Edit: according to Joe Quesada, Peter is now 25 years old. This makes me older than him, at last...
Edited by Francesco Vanagolli on 14 August 2009 at 12:52am
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Rob Ocelot
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I always found it humorous that Raimi took almost all of Spider-man 2099's abilities (finger hairs, organic web shooters) and applied it to the film Spidey. Methinks Peter David deserves a retroactive credit.
The irony is that Spidey 2099's powers were that way because they were a 'best guess' at recreating the abilities of the original Spider-man cribbed from patchy historical records. I'm sure that point is completely lost on Raimi.
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John Byrne
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I don't rememeber any more -- did SPIDER-MAN 2099 cover the all-important question of how he could create and store as much webbing as he would need?
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Rob Ocelot
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JB: I don't remember any more -- did SPIDER-MAN 2099
cover the all-important question of how he could create and store as
much webbing as he would need?
Not explicitly. The character also had fangs and a venom sac that would get depleted if used too much. It's heavily implied that the webbing and venom were much like saliva, where you have some stored for immediate use but you can also make it on demand (albeit at a much slower rate). Also implied that the web storage areas were in his forearms and connected to the lymphatic system (meaning lots of precursor proteins and fluids).
Peter David, at least in the early issues wrote the book in such a way that limited the amount of web slinging Miguel did to address the issue of it being a limited resource, giving him that kite/sailcloth material so that he could glide in a lot of instances where Peter would just empty the current web shooter in a last ditch effort to save himself.
Edited by Rob Ocelot on 15 August 2009 at 10:18am
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Francesco Vanagolli
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It was funny when Captain Marvel/Genis-Vell and Rick Jones met Spider-Man 2099 and Rick said something like "Spider-Man with organic webs? Who could Imagine Spider-Man with organic webs?"
Of course, it happened when the first movie had just been released!
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Arc Carlton
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I never read Spider-Man 2099. Was it good?
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Rob Ocelot
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One of the better 2099 titles, though I think a lot of people feel Doom 2099 was the top book.
The book ends suddenly with Peter David leaving the title on short notice so an ending was hastily written.
They've done some odd things to Miguel O'Hara though, eg. he's now a blood relative of Peter Parker (unnecessary and contrived), making him the new Thor as a bookend to the 2099 Universe (interesting, but perhaps a bit dull in that they never really did much with it). Why they felt they had to do these sorts of things to a great standalone character escapes me.
They've also either closed off the 2099 reality for good (Earth 920?) or splintered it into two different realities. I'm not sure which. They honestly didn't do much with Miguel in Exiles, and it seems the entire Exiles concept has pretty much hit a sandbar as of late (with what, like the 3rd reboot of that title now being cancelled?). Personally, I would have kept 2099 as the true history of the MU until proven otherwise. Even the 'great cataclysm' that ended the heroic age mooted at in the 2099 titles could be tied into House of M/Civil War/Secret Invasion/Dark Reign with some spit and polish.
It's funny, thinking back to the dawn of 2099 and how it seemed to spring up shortly after JB repurposed his 'Future MU' treatment into 2112. Marvel's concept of 'the future' unfortunately will always be tainted with "what happened to character X?" type of nonsense, which smacks of bad fan fiction to me. Old Man Logan and Future Imperfect are good examples of this.
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Houston Mitchell
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I always thought a way to deal with the mechanical webshooters in the first film was to make it part of the reason they were going to the lab that had the spiders.
They are studying spiders in class and the annual science fair is coming up, inspiring Peter to make his own web shooters. Have Flash make fun of the "freaky kid who wants to make his own webs." So he is already working on webshooters when the movie begins. It would establish he is smarter than the average high school kid, and they wouldn't have to devote much movie time to showing him making them.
Or, he is working on a super-adhesive for the science fair, and converts that into webs when he needs them. There were many ways to do accomplish mechanical webshooters if Raimi and the writers wanted to keep them. And they could have done it in a way that wouldn't have required a lot of screen time.
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Dan Avenell
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'Or, he is working on a super-adhesive for the science fair, and converts that into webs when he needs them.'
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Yes, that's the way I'd have had it. Doing something the big chem corps couldn't? well, the adhesive disintigrates after two hours (never mentioned in any of the movies, unless I'm forgetting), which is why he can't sell it ( like he tried and failed in the early comic, which could have been a good movie scene). But IDEAL for web-spinning... it's hardly a stretch.
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Jeff Barlow
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Different characters, but you might enjoy reading Michael Chabon's
rejected proposal for an FF movie. It's
very much Lee & Kirby's Fantastic Four.
Now THAT would be the FF movie that I wanted to see.
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