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Steve WeZ
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"You can only extort from the willing.
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Actually (!!) that should read "It's not extortion if
they're willing.""
Actually, that makes more sense.
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Steve WeZ
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"Just like as "kids" we watched the Superfriends and
if we walked in to a comic shop we didnt expect to see
cardboard cut outs of the same characters.
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Sure you did, or why would you have been walking into
that comic shop in the first place? You certainly would
not have gone in thinking I wonder if the actual comics
interpret these characters differently from how they are
portrayed on the cartoon show?"
Having television be your introduction to the
characters and already that has shown different examples
of those characters why wouldnt you walk in thinking
"wonder what the source material is like"? Does Robin
REALLY go around saying "holy" this and "holy" that?
As a kid, from where I experienced this and from where
my "opinion" comes, I was watching Wonder Woman along
with old reruns of Batman the TV show and old cartoon
where Catwoman wore a green outfit and white mask.
Enough info on television had been presented to me that
common sense lets me realize that the REAL comics should
be interesting if not better. I am not trying to be
disingenuous, I responded from my own exp.
The more I think about it the more I recall when the
Superfriends cartoon added Cyborg and Firestorm, which I
WAS reading at the time and the first thing I wanted to
see was if they got it "right".
"As to civilians and how they react to different
versions, of course they are not going to be "confused".
They accept whatever they are told, and each version
writes over whatever they remember of the previous one.
They're not likely to be comparing Heath Ledger to Cesar
Romero in any case, unless they have long memories."
Don't sell "civilians" so short? To A Lot of people
that Batman show is their only point of reference. To
them the Batman movies are just another attempt from
Hollywood to make "their" old TV Shows in to
movies...like the Brady Bunch or the Beverly Hillbillies
or Bewitched.
While I do agree that most people are mindless
consumers, in the case of their TV and movies they are
pretty savvy. When people say that Heath Ledger is trying
to be Jack Nicholson that shows they are aware of how
Hollywood works. I guess I am just putting my faith in
the notion that most people are aware enough to know that
the TV show or the movie is just a culmination of the
source material going in.
I hate the Xmen movies...my sister in law LOVES them. I
can not argue with her that she is WRONG, but I have told
her that the original Phoenix story MADE the X-men and
that is not what you are seeing. She knows what I mean,
she knows where I am coming from.
"Movie goers get all their information about these
characters from those movies, and when the movies are not
faithful to the source material, the non-faithful version
becomes canon."
Absolutely. All, I'm saying is that I think, I could be
wrong, but I think that "most" people are aware how TV
and Hollywood work.
I guess I should have just posted that the Xmen movies
sucked enough that maybe there is a chance to salvage
what the movies got so wrong. Maybe if we ignore them
they will go away.
Then again, Flash Gordon from 1980 was on tonight...
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Keith Thomas
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Your point about the movies made me think about how the
folly of not staying on character creates a new subset of
fans you have to cater to and you can't please them all.
Fans from the movies hate Cyclops, early 90's cartoon fans
like Rogue and her with Gambit, Age of Apocalypse fans like
Wolverine with Jean and on and on until we get to today
where the characters are a mish mash of every time they
were written off model and the new writers picked and chose
they're favorite version (or created new ones again).
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Arc Carlton
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I'm was glad to help! About the perspective: Even Eisner had to learn at some point. He sure did learn pretty quickly, judging by his work just a year or two later.
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He was great.
I only have a few volumes of The Spirit but one day I'll have them all...
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Kirk Melton III
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Going back to another topic of the thread:
DC's Wednesday Comics: TOTAL GRANDEUR.
Each page/story had intro/buildup/climax/cliffhanger.
Artistically: COMICS MAGIC. Loved the concept and execution.
it was FUN!
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Shaun Barry
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(Hey! Someone better not be dissing the 1980 FLASH GORDON...!)
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Arc Carlton
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Haven't read Wednesday Comics yet.
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Michael Huber
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I could be
wrong, but I think that "most" people are aware how TV
and Hollywood work.
Anyone who's ever read a novel should be well aware of this after "seeing" the movie version. This should be obvious, unless they're illiterate.
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Michael Hatton
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"Anyone who's ever read a novel should be well aware of this after
"seeing" the movie version. This should be obvious, unless they're
illiterate."
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True but I think you are missing a big point. If the movie version is different than the book version people can understand that. They just think of it as movie version and book version. If there were multiple book versions that would be weird and it is exactly what is going on in comics.
I remember a conversation that went like this. So Spectacular Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-man are are the same guy but Ultimate Spider-Man is in a different universe and Marvel Adventures Spider-Man is something else. Say what?
I know you are going to say, but there was the Tim Burton Batman and the current Batman. There you have two different versions of Batman in the movies. That is correct but they are not coming out at the same time. What if all movie versions of Batman came out this summer. Civilians would think that is nuts, and they would be right.
I can see a movie version, tv version and comic version. But not multiple versions of each being produced at the same time. That is just weird and confusing. This is especially true when storylines in the comics cross over into other series'.
It is just nuts.
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Joe Hollon
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Good point Michael Hatton!
I've been describing for years a hypothetical situation where a kid sees the Spider-Man movie and magically finds his way to a comic shop (I know....this part of the story requires some suspension of disbelief). Here's the conversation that would occur:
Kid: "Hello, I've never been to a comic shop before but I would like to buy some Spider-Man comics! Can you point me to them?"
Shop clerk: "Hm...well, do you like the regular continuity Marvel Universe Spider-Man? There's also the Ultimate Spider-Man from the Ultimate Universe. Perhaps you'd rather go with the all-ages friendly, out-of-continuity Spider-Man Adventures?"
Kid: "Uh...nevermind. I'll just go back home and play my Playstation 3."
This same scenario could get even more humorous/sad with DC...."Do you prefer the Golden Age Batman, Silver Age Batman, pre-Crisis Bronze Age Batman, Earth 2 Batman, post-Crisis Bruce Wayne Batman, modern Whoever-That-Guy-Is Batman, All-Star Batman or the Brave and the Bold Batman?"
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Steve WeZ
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I could be
wrong, but I think that "most" people are aware how TV
and Hollywood work.
"Anyone who's ever read a novel should be well aware of
this after "seeing" the movie version. This should be
obvious, unless they're illiterate."
Yup. And most make the mental choice on whether or not
to go and read the book of a movie they just saw and
liked. I'm sure everybody has heard,"but the book was so
much better". It's almost cliche' Though comic books are
the only medium where the one the can effect the other in
this way.
Stephen King didn't rewrite the Shinning to adapt to
Stanley Kubrick's movie. If he did to cash in on the
success of the movie and in doing so discrediting
himself...that it is his fault not John Q Public's
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Nathan Greno
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Kevin: One of the most violent things I remember from my youth was Wolverine
killing the guard in the Savage Land, UXM 116, because of what I didn't see.
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Eric: That's usually the better way of doing it, at least in comics.
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What??? But then we wouldn't have stuff like this...!!!
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