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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 1
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excellent point... early Batman carried a gun, Captain America, Superman and others fought Hitler, Stalin and others... the "old days" weren't as sterile and simple as we like to believe!
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William Lukash Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 2
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The old days were just as violent as the modern days except the artists didn't take the time to show the bullet leaving somebodys head with a trail of gore behind it. They just go shot.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 3
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Forget it. Way too snarky.
Edited by Eric White on 10 July 2009 at 9:48pm
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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One of the most violent things I remember from my youth was Wolverine killing the guard in the Savage Land, UXM 116, because of what I didn't see.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | 5
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That's usually the better way of doing it, at least in comics.
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Arc Carlton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: Peru Posts: 3493
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Posted: 10 July 2009 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | 6
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One of the earliest Superman imitators, which National Comics sued out of existence. ______________________
I don't think it was a great loss...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 6:28am | IP Logged | 7
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"Just like John Q can now tell you how Scott Summers is a douche (because the movie said so) or the Joker has a scarred face (also from the movie.) Those aspects are accepted as fact by the Public." Just my opinion, but I doubt " John Q" public has much of an emotional investment in these characters to walk away from those examples thinking they are "fact". I seriously doubt "John Q" are as "confused" when looking at Ceasar Romero's Joker and then Dark Knight's version of the same. Just like as "kids" we watched the Superfriends and if we walked in to a comic shop we didnt expect to see cardboard cut outs of the same characters. •• Sure you did, or why would you have been walking into that comic shop in the first place? You certainly would not have gone in thinking I wonder if the actual comics interpret these characters differently from how they are portrayed on the cartoon show? Finding the characters portrayed differently, you would doubtless have adapted quickly, and perhaps even preferred the comicbook versions. Or been able to segregate them once you knew there were different versions. But to say you didn't expect them to be the same is disingenuous at best! As to civilians and how they react to different versions, of course they are not going to be "confused". They accept whatever they are told, and each version writes over whatever they remember of the previous one. They're not likely to be comparing Heath Ledger to Cesar Romero in any case, unless they have long memories. The point of comparison, if any, would be Jack Nicholson, and I suspect it's no coincidence that Ledger's version has a scarred face, like Nicholson's. The latest movie was doing its own version of Nicholson's Joker, not the Joker from the comics. Which is the problem. Movie goers get all their information about these characters from those movies, and when the movies are not faithful to the source material, the non-faithful version becomes canon.
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John Byrne
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One of the earliest Superman imitators, which National Comics sued out of
existence.
______________________
I don't think it was a great loss...
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Read all those stories, have you?
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 9:15am | IP Logged | 9
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Just like as "kids" we watched the Superfriends and if
we walked in to a comic shop we didnt expect to see
cardboard cut outs of the same characters.
I remember getting GI Joe after watching the cartoon and
thinking Wow this is so much better they use bullets.
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Andy Mokler Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 10
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Matt Hawes:
Thanks for the pic and link to early Eisner stuff. That cover has something I hadn't ever really considered---Eisner didn't always know perspective! I almost feel the clouds trembling just writing such a thing but as nice as the figure is on that cover the buildings are all wonky. Maybe it was a dream sequence?
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 11
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John Byrne wrote:
(quoting Steve WeZ)...
Just like as "kids" we watched the Superfriends and if we walked in to a comic shop we didnt expect to see cardboard cut outs of the same characters.
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Sure you did, or why would you have been walking into that comic shop in the first place? You certainly would not have gone in thinking I wonder if the actual comics interpret these characters differently from how they are portrayed on the cartoon show? ... |
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I know that I was every bit as annoyed -- More, actually -- as a child when I saw how Hollywood changed the characters I loved when adapting them to cartoons and TV shows, and movies. I was familiar with pretty much most comics characters from the comics first, excepting Superman, Batman, and probably Spider-Man (which I most likely first discovered in a cartoon, the 60's TV series, and "The Electric Company," respectively). And those three characters weren't as altered as they would be in later attempts from Hollywood.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 12
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Andy wrote:
...Thanks for the pic and link to early Eisner stuff. That cover has something I hadn't ever really considered---Eisner didn't always know perspective!... |
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I'm was glad to help! About the perspective: Even Eisner had to learn at some point. He sure did learn pretty quickly, judging by his work just a year or two later.
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