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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 1
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I don't care about whether Chad likes Quitely's art or not, there are many artists I can't stand but others gush over. I think some of what Chad likes is absolute crap but I would never assume he was a sexual deviate because he likes to read comics about big burly men beating the crap out of each other drawn by Gerry Taloac or Sal Buscema. He just likes reading those kind of comics
Oh, Eric, thanks for identifying yourself, finally. Or should I call you by your other nom de plumes like "Donald Zomstein" or "Alan Gauvin" or "Robert Denovitch" or how about a real classic, "Tom Krevins."
You're a clod, Eric. And you just ousted yourself.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1067
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | 2
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I read enough of the Byrne board to know what kind of comics you like. Please, show me some proof that I'm not who I say I am.
You've been running your mouth on this board for the last few years attacking anyone who doesn't like the stuff you like and you don't like it when someone challenges your bullshit. So go ahead and think I'm someone else, no big deal to me, but maybe you can find the time to answer my question.
Edited by Eric White on 09 July 2009 at 5:14pm
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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But I think it's a weird question at best, and at worst saying a lot more about you than it does of the people you're questioning, when you can't see that just because you can't suspend your disbelief, that must mean any other adult who is reading the book, myself included, must not be reading it because they enjoy seeing that dynamic, but that it must have something to do with some perverse sexual feeling or questioning of motives between the two lead characters.
Never once suggested anyone reading this Batman and Robin are perverted carrot-hiders, I'm pointing out that Morrison and Quietly have removed a fundamental barricade between what is acceptable and what is not. In a comic book about superheroes done with a traditonal understanding of what is meaningful and poignant about Batman and Robin's father-son relationship, you don't have to wonder about why it is the current creators of the book are working so hard to nullify. What was wrong with Batman as Bruce Wayne? What was wrong with non-adultified, non-sexualized art in major-title comics from these companies? When did it become acceptable that Morrison and Quietly can strip the Batman comic of visual/idealogical constructs in order to present a ten year old as a viable crime fighter?
WHY? Did you ask for a ten year old Robin? Did we need an extrapolation on Frank Miller's doomed ALL-STAR BATMAN-version Robin? Another petulant example of creative mishandling? Another prime discourse on why Robin doesn't work on any level in TODAY's comics?
I'll read Batman and Robin comics all day. I liked Robin the Boy Wonder "Holy Rolling Doughnuts" from television more than I did Batman himself. I like traditional Robin, I like especially the f*cking conceit behind traditional Robin: he's a kid who had something f*cking horrible happen to him, got taken in and given a chance to fulfill a life of worth, and eventually become the great hero he emulates. Only he never does.
Simple, elegant, and nobody has to explain to anybody that this is the fourth Robin and there's two others but one of them is Batman and one of them is named after a popular restaurant and one of them is a petulant love-child of the original Batman who may or may not be dead.
Krr-rock of sh*te, sir!
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 4
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You've been running your mouth on this board for the last few years attacking anyone who doesn't like the stuff you like and you don't like it when someone challenges your bullshit. So go ahead and think I'm someone else, no big deal to me, but maybe you can find the time to answer my question.
Don't stamp your feet in exasperation, "Sean Raffer." You can back up your arguments way better than that. Go ahead and show me where I "attack anyone who doesn't like the stuff (I) like." How about some research, some quotes?
Man, My Biggest Fan. I'm not the only one you email on this Forum, right? I knew you'd trip up at some point. Clod.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1067
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | 5
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Wait, you accused people who liked Damien as Robin as popping a rod over the idea , right? That's not sexual or perverted in any way? And you don't have a problem with the "fans" here who don't rail against every comic that has come out after 1975. Really, there must be two different Chad Carters posting here.
And I never emailed anyone on this board. Please, show me the proof that I had. I think you're a joke. Do you think I'm the only one? Just keep working on your Harlan Ellison impersonation, you phony little wannabee.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 6:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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Just so you folks know, this "Eric White" troll has been busting my ba*ls for a while now. As you'll soon see, if he continues this discourse, his "face" will slip and he'll start repeating the same phrases over and over, losing control of his syntax, and becoming more cretinous by the moment.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 7
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Cruising around, I did find one example of Eisner "touching" the superhero genre:
An odd little piece, kind of cool tho...sorry to be vague, but it was originally in one of the Superman Anniversary issues as a pin-up.
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David Kingsley Kingsley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | 8
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Morrison has said that his intent is to, ONLY FOR A YEAR, invert the traditional relationship of Batman and Robin, by having Batman as a lighthearted, joke-cracking crusader and presenting Robin as a grim and brooding loner. He's also stated that his intent is to have them rub off each other, and, after the year is over, have Damien as a more light and light-hearted character. Long term, I agree, it would be stupid, but, for twelve-months, I think it's a great idea.
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Armindo Macieira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 9
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Morrison has said that his intent is to, ONLY FOR A YEAR, invert the
traditional relationship of Batman and Robin, by having Batman as a
lighthearted, joke-cracking crusader and presenting Robin as a grim and
brooding loner. He's also stated that his intent is to have them rub
off each other, and, after the year is over, have Damien as a more
light and light-hearted character. Long term, I agree, it would be
stupid, but, for twelve-months, I think it's a great idea.
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Did he say why?
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | 10
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Unfortunately, an aging audience and a major influx
of fans-turned-pro, coupled with the shrinking of the marketplace, gave
us a higher and higher percentage of people on both sides of the table
who not only thought about these things, but felt the need to address
them in the books. So there are lesbians on Paradise
Island, for instance, because we have been told so, flat out. And, of
course, writers cannot wait to have younger and younger characters
hoping into bed with each other.
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I agree, JB, but there's one name, in talking about this particular topic, that has to have a special place...Kevin Smith. He took that small subset of fans you talked about that made the crude sex jokes about comic book characters, and made them the stars of movies.
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 7:51pm | IP Logged | 11
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Did he say why?
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My surmise would be that they're bringing back Bruce in a year, so the dynamic would have to change anyway.
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 12
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I mean, these guys are non-standard.... should they not be drawing superhero comics either?
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Well, I know Mike Mignola, for one, has said several times in interviews that he didn't think his style was really suited for superheroes.
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