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Arc Carlton
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That Lex Luthor story has always been one of my favorites. In only a few pages it manages to convey such a vast array of emotions. Extraordinary.
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John Byrne
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Not quite the same I guess, but the back-up story in Superman #9 was very much just people sitting, standing and talking as well, but you managed to make it one of the most entertaining stories I've ever read. It was a perfect example to the reader of just what this "new" Lex Luthor was all about.•• Won a Spanish fan award for that story. Beat out WATCHMEN! I used to say "Guess I had a better translator!"
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John Byrne
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That Lex Luthor story has always been one of my favorites. In only a few pages it manages to convey such a vast array of emotions. Extraordinary.•• And totally gutted by a lame-ass sequel. sigh
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John Popa
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The Quitely image of Batman presents the same issue I
had with the recent Batman films. I don't see BATMAN but a
guy in a Batman costume.
Recent? That was my whole problem with Keaton.
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Live action to me is ALWAYS a 'guy in a suit,' especially if it's a known actor.
Actors play super heroes, comics ARE super heroes, at least to me.
Edited by John Popa on 27 June 2009 at 3:07pm
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Robert Walsh
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Not only that, but how is the statement about most of the current
artists "being ashamed to draw superheroes" not blatant "mindreading"?
I thought "mindreading" was verbotten 'round here. You can bet that if
someone made a similar comment about JB, there'd be hell to pay.
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Also states an opinion as fact.
Pretty much a hat-trick of rule breaking.
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Steve De Young
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Actually, going back to JB's question earlier, I think Quitely would have drawn that image differently if it was Bruce, and that's part of the problem. Quitely is Morrison's favorite artist because he's on board with Morrison's program, a big part of which is constant meta-fiction.
So Quitely does the sort of meta-fiction equivalent in art. The reason he's making the bat-suit look all baggy and ill-fitting on Dick is very much on purpose, as someone else suggested. He's trying to visually say, 'Ah, he's having difficulty with filling his father's boots!' Just like how in All-Star Superman, Superman has the giant barrel chest and huge cleft chin that make him look like a character from the Incredibles, he's got to appear larger than life and heroic.
I don't think its embarassment, I think its pretention. He needs to knock it off and just draw a superhero action adventure story.
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B J Mayer
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Having read the issue, he did.
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Steve De Young
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Having also read the issue, Morrison wrote a superhero action adventure story. He laid off the the meta-fiction for the time being, but Quitely didn't draw it straight ahead. Though I will admit, his ability to make any character look sick and perverse helped make the new villain seem sick and perverse.
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Greg McPhee
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Mike W. Barr said in an interview in Fantasia Magazine November 1990 a good Batman story MUST contain the following (not in this order):
- Batman
- Action
- Adventure
- Bruce Wayne
- Mystery
- Gotham City
- Jim Gordon
- Alfred
- A Great Villain
- A Death Trap
- A Problem
- A Mystery
- Detection
- A Resolution
- Robin ( if required )
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Donald Pfeffer
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QUOTE:
| If you study my first post very, very carefully, you made detect the subtle reference to the fact that this cover represents a pet peeve of mine. I would have posted that cover if Neal himself had drawn it -- tho that would have made me extremely sad. |
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So it's ok to start deliberately negative threads so long as you preface it with the statement that it is a pet peeve. (Because we all know that pet peeves are never completely negative) Thanks for pointing out the distinction for me.
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Wallace Sellars
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Mike W. Barr said in an interview in Fantasia Magazine November 1990 a
good Batman story MUST contain the following (not in this order):
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A wonderful list of ingredients, but I'm not sure I'd agree that ALL are
necessary for a good Batman story.
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John Byrne
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Thanks for pointing out the distinction for me.
••
Fly free, and be burdened no more with my ravings!
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