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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 10:07am | IP Logged | 1
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Thought I'd align the two halves--
Not bad. There are things that I like, things I'm not so crazy about. Of the latter, I don't care for He-Man's sword obscuring Evil-Lynn's mouth, or the composition overall. And I thought Quitely was supposed to be good at drawing animals; doesn't really show here.
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Clint Adams Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 507
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 2
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I think his monsters look great, but his humans still look bored in this pic.
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Arc Carlton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: Peru Posts: 3493
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 3
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Frank Quitely colored that piece.
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I was sure someone else did the coloring.
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Thanos Kollias Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 5009
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:03am | IP Logged | 4
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Yes, I think that's exactly how casually two groups of bitter enemies would behave at such proximity from each other. Only the animals look ready for battle, the others are just posing! Swords are all over the figures: one, as noted hides a mouth, another is coming out of a nose, another seems like a two-teeth fork with a face caught in the middle. Pretty busy. I don't get why it wasn't "shot" a bit further back to make room for all the elements. Of course it's leeps and bounds better looking than Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, X-Men and everything else we've seen so far.
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Thanos Kollias Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:09am | IP Logged | 5
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Oh, by the way, to correct a rather wrong statement, Quietly DID NOT color the cover. Jamie Grant did the coloring of the issue, as well as the cover, at least as far as the info provided inside is correct (on the "DC in demand" page at the end of the book), where cover artists are credited.
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Bill De Simone Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 84
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 6
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Peter Martin: I like how the action is left to right, and the "lines" in the drawing are horizontal...all adding to the left to right eye action, which (I guess) gives the power and movement. There is a two page splash in Red Robin 2 of Robin vaulting into the bad guys. Only thing is, he vaults right to left on the page, against the eye flow, so the eye flow stops flat. A lot of backgrounds to look at, pretty meticulous figures drawn, but no energy at all.
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 April 2008 Location: United States Posts: 3517
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 7
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the composition overall
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Just to clarify regarding the composition, that image is a wraparound cover, so the idea, I think, behind the composition was to have the Heroes on the front and the villains on the back. That open area at right top is for the logo to be dropped in.
Edited by Steve De Young on 09 July 2009 at 11:53am
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 8
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I'm comprehending what you're writing, Chad. I just don't understand why you dwell on sexual gratification when it comes to the comics you read. Maybe you can enlighten me. Why do you think of getting a hard on when it comes to a ten year old Robin? What are you seeing in that picture that sexually excites you?
No, Eric, you're not comprehending. Here's what I said. Watch closely now:
"It's flat-out creepy to have 10 and 12 year old kids as superheroes nowadays. Especially considering who is reading the superheroes, and the very prevalent moron mentality that questions Batman's sexuality and motives with his "ward." Adults aren't reading Batman and "Robin" to get in touch with being a kid again. Why would a badass 10 year old give these people such a rod? What is "Robin" to them?"
So, Eric, am I calling myself a moron? Am I questioning my own feelings toward Frank Quietly's Batman, or Batman and Robin in general?
Obviously "adults" refers back to "who is reading" with the implied "the superheroes" referring to Quietly's work and the work of the rest of his gang of tw*ts.
I'm not remotely questioning myself on this topic. The fans want to slaver over this Quietly freakshow, that's their problem, but I'm pointing out how irksome it is to be reminded (via critics and fanboys) of what a Special Artist Quietly is, simply because Morrison proclaims it and the clowns follow on their squeaking tricycles. With a little perspective, anyone can see the loss of the dynamic fundamentals of comic book art over the last decade and more. Frank Quietly becomes a kind of poster boy for this because, well, he's the "hot" guy and he's the one on the biggest books. He's a renowned target.
Reading COMPREHENSION. Learn about it, Eric. Trust in it to see you through, sir.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | 9
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Eh. I don't find it creepy in the least to have 10 and 12 year old characters starring in mainstream superhero books even if the majority of the audience for these books is over 20. There's nothing creepy about it unless you figure that such characters will always "give these people such a rod" as an adult. An odd thing to think, that, given the numbers of adult readers of kid and tween lit like HARRY POTTER and the TWILIGHT series. What, do all adults get a "rod" when they read about the adventures of Harry Potter?
I don't think you can or should stop publishing characters that are of a certain age only to stop that small segment of the reading audience from questioning their sexual motives. I do, however, think it says something about a person when they assume that a character like Robin couldn't possibly have any interest to an adult outside of the sexual.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 10
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If adults are reading Batman and Robin, and ignoring the baggage associated with the relationship between the characters as is often joked about by the people I'm talking about (not every adult, certainly), then there's an issue. The joke refers to sexuality, but the reality-based approach to comics by the Adults Creating Them tells me I have to think about adult ramifications of a ten year old boy fighting crime. Because I don't see an idealized Robin, I see a reality-based Robin according to Quietly and his ilk. And I have to wonder about the motives behind a reality-based Robin, how irresponsible it is for a superhero to have a sidekick, how stupid it is for Batman to allow a ten year old in the middle of a full-for-all in Gotham.
You give me the idealized "youth" of Johnny Stom or the old Robin, then you're showing me a "fantasy" I can suspend disbelief by. This horsesh*t with an adultified ten year old is twisted without that suspension.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | 11
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I don't think it is at all. Certainly not every pre-teen and teen character throughout the history of comic books has been idealized. Some have been, absolutely, but others have tragic pasts. One need only look to the original Robin, whose parents were murdered in front of him, to see that.
I get the feeling that you haven't read much, if at all, of anything to do with this new Robin, Chad. Not really sure how you can say he's an "adultified ten year old" without reading it and only going by a cover that you think makes him look older. Yes, Damion is 10. Yes, he was trained by the League of Assassins because his mother is Talia. But he's also a petulant ten year old, like most his age, who thinks he's adult but is decidedly not. He's not in Batman's league where fighting is concerned because he's not adult enough yet to be so. He's got a lot to learn and in that respect this relationship is similar, in a teacher/student dynamic, to the one between the original Batman and Robin.
Hey, if you can't suspend your disbelief, I'm not going to ask you to do so. But I think it's a weird question at best, and at worst saying a lot more about you than it does of the people you're questioning, when you can't see that just because you can't suspend your disbelief, that must mean any other adult who is reading the book, myself included, must not be reading it because they enjoy seeing that dynamic, but that it must have something to do with some perverse sexual feeling or questioning of motives between the two lead characters.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 July 2009 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 12
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Chad--please take a few minutes, step away from your computer, and get some fresh air.
There are always going to be artists whose popularity is baffling to you. Rumor has it that some high-ranking DC folks couldn't see what was so great about Kirby and Ditko during the Silver Age of comics, since they weren't nearly as polished as DC's stable of artists.
Frank Quitely, Frank Robbins, Frank Miller, Frank Thorne, Frank Springer...one man's fan favorite is another man's example of everything that's ever been wrong in comics. I think Quitely's a great artist and I actively seek out his work whether it's on a Vertigo title or a mainstream DC title. Other fans actively avoid his work. And I don't think Wizard, Grant Morrison's interviews, or a complimentary blog writeup have swayed me (or most people) one bit in whether or not to continue enjoying Quitely's work.
I could go on for hours about how Seth MacFarlane is one of the worst things that's ever happened to animation or comedy, despite the large number or friends and online acquaintances who swear otherwise. I just chalk it up to differing tastes and leave it at that. I don't think my friends have been brainwashed or tricked or anything, they just aren't seeing this stuff with the same eyes that I am.
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