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Steve De Young
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Don't know but as JB said this isn't the Batman and Robin
who guest starred on Scooby Doo. This is modern, edgy, dark
modern comics where Robin's die isn't it?
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Well, part of Morrison's stated intent on the Batman and Robin series...and how this pans out, we'll see....is to return the book to a previous era, as Dick isn't as dark a character as Bruce, and Damien, while a brat, isn't particularly dark either. So the colors on the book are much brighter. The action is a lot bigger...
...I mean, he's driving a flying car. We're not going for super-realism here.
That said, from the first two issues I've read, I think Morrison is trying to have it both ways. The subject matter, the villain in particular, is pretty dark and grim. Having Dick and Damien cartwheel around a lot with a lot of primary colors doesn't mitigate that.
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John Byrne
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I never have been much of a Robin fan, if at all. I had an older brother, and whenever we played out the roles, I always got stuck with Robin -- and that's what it felt like, the losing end of the deal. And when I got older, I still didn't care for the character, or for any of the plethora of young sidekicks. To me, as a kid, they all struck a wrong chord because I wanted to identify with the adult hero and not ever with the kid, lad, boy, whatever, not ever with the replicative juvenile.•• Jules Feiffer summed it up well in his "The Great Comicbook Heroes" book. We all hated Robin, he opined, because Batman had trained for years and years and years to be Batman, but Robin was ten and he was already Batman.
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William Watson
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Except Robin HAD trained for years. To be an acrobat. So he had the physical agility and strength and skill that Batman had to learn. All Robin needed was the detective skills but Batman always led the way there.
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JT Molloy
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I loved Robin growing up. I was Robin for Halloween twice. Sure as an adult you go "How could he beat up grown adults" but as a kid it was like "Cool he's beating up grown adults with a smirk on his face!".
I still like Batman alone too which is why I like the whole 'Robin at college and they team up half the time' thing
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Matt Reed
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Chad Carter wrote:
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Why is fans in quotes here? If one likes Quietly's work, they are pseudo-fans? Couldn't possibly be real fans? That's how it reads to me.
I happen to like Quietly's work. He's not a great fit for every character he's drawn or series he's done, but I like quite a bit of what I've seen. Most here know that I'm not the biggest Morrison fan by far, but I do enjoy ALL STAR SUPERMAN and BATMAN AND ROBIN. Both drawn by Quietly. So since I like his work on these titles, am a "fan" but not really a fan?
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John Byrne
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Except Robin HAD trained for years. To be an acrobat. So he had the physical agility and strength and skill that Batman had to learn. All Robin needed was the detective skills but Batman always led the way there.•• Being a circus performer -- working in a totally controlled environment -- is "training" for taking on the Joker armed with a machine gun?
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Steve De Young
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Being a circus performer -- working in a totally
controlled environment -- is "training" for taking on the Joker armed
with a machine gun?
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Well, in comic books it is. In comic books, all physical training is instantly applicable to hand-to-hand combat. Just like in comics, anybody who's a 'scientist' has PhD-level (or beyond) knowledge of chemistry, biology, physics (both quantum and astrophysics), and engineering. And is a fair hand with a toolbox.
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Damien was trained by the League of Assassins, no? Plausible enough, in the DCU.
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A TEN year old is telling Batman that he has to earn his respect? A ten year old?!?
Er, that is just SOOOO wrong!
As for Quietly, I am not a fan, I can't understand what All Star Superman had going for it, I don't read Batman and Robin, I hated his X-Men, but he has talent. I just don't like it at all.
MAybe if he paired with someone other than Morisson I could get interested.
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A TEN year old is telling Batman that he has to earn his respect? A ten year old?!?
Er, that is just SOOOO wrong!
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Well, that Batman is Dick Grayson. Damien was raised by the League of Assassins, guided by Talia, and so his father, Bruce, was spoken of as some kind of legendary, nigh mythical figure. So he completely idolizes his father. But, given that upbringing, you can imagine that humility was not in the curriculum, so he basically considers Dick to be some orphan his dad took pity on.
That's part of the character conflict. Dick took him on as Robin to try to re-socialize and show him a different way to operate, but he doesn't respect Dick yet. I'm betting within a few months he will.
Edited by Steve De Young on 08 July 2009 at 12:53pm
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As I scroll through this thread, what strikes as as being fundamentally different from some of the examples here is the presence or lack of a sense of energy and motion.
Quitely's art, while certainly not bad, looks like a snapshot, completely frozen. Great comic book art manages to convey a feeling of motion and life even in a still image. That's what's lacking, for me, in much of modern comic book art.
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Does a ten year old really understand the respect part the way it's sentenced there? I have an eleven year old niece, she is extrememly smart for he age, but there is no way I can "hear" her say these things.
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