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Posted: 03 July 2009 at 6:10am | IP Logged | 1  

…Lars and I are discussing "filming" as a soccer term…

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My use, and my point, still stand.

And, as noted, the characters on the receiving end of these punches in the
comics are not supposed to be "faking" -- which rather raises the question
of what your point could possibly be?
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My point was to Lars that "soccer-filming" isn't about falls in the wrong direction as he seemed to suggest, but exaggerated falls, which is what comics generally portray. I just wanted to clear up in case there was a confusion, as I thought there was,  that "filming" in the sense Lars and I were using it had anything to do with films.
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And, as noted, the characters on the receiving end of these punches in the
comics are not supposed to be "faking" -- which rather raises the question
of what your point could possibly be?

Not absolutely sure if this was directed to me or Knut, but since I brought it up, Knut can't really know what my point is, which is, that nobody is faking it more than a woman who gets to hear about a family member's death and her knees get weak. A soocer player feels punched, he has been into training all season, then the ball rolls into the net. He could just tear his hair, but at least tries to show off what a bad guy the opponent really is. It's just that we, as obsorvers, don't see the same thing. When we read a comic, our experiences are the same as Spider-Man, whom we identify with.

Added for clarification: Spider-Man does of course not fake anything. When Spider-Man gets hit it's real, that's more than a rule, it's an immutable axiom to me. But the reader can be the soccer player and doesn't have to go filming on the field or worse in real life, when he sees his pain manifested in the comic, that's my point.



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This thread has gotten REALLY weird.
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Trevor Smith
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I think that's pretty much Lars' trademark, Kevin.
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The Gil Kane panels:  as "correct"as the anatomy looks, there is a lot of exaggeration in the proportions.  Same with Adams' and Kirby's.
Not a negative comment; part of the "grandeur" is the subtle cartooning.  Unlike say, the figures who's biceps are bigger than their heads.
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Exactly! As I have said so many times I should build myself a macro key, it's all about drawing not what it would look like, but what it should look like.
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Paulo Pereira
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 Erik Larsen wrote:
There are already speed lines from Spider-Man's head--extend those and continue Kingpin's arc--putting the point of impact just a hair below
Spidey's own foot in the previous shot.

Wow, do I feel like an idiot. Somehow I totally missed those existing speed lines.  
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Wow, do I feel like an idiot. Somehow I totally missed those existing speed lines.

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Happens to the best of us. And don't make the mistake of thinking those shots are to be read as frames in a strip of film. In addition to having to explain how the Kingpin's punch can send him flying as he does in the last panel, assuming the previous one is the precise moment before it would mean we'd also have to explain why Spider-Man's legs are in different positions. Take them as I am sure Keith intended -- snapshots of a series of actions, not the same continuous action.

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Thanks, JB.
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This thread has gotten REALLY weird.

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I've seen weirder stuff going on around here...

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JB - the horse isn't dead yet! - do you think the first two panels in that page are close together in time?  I like the idea of Kingpin being that fast.
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