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Jim Campbell
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Alan Moore's dense scripting of Watchmen


Ironically, I've read interviews with Ian Gibson (on working from Moore's
Halo Jones scripts), Brian Bolland (Killing Joke) and Dave Gibbons
(Watchmen) and all of them have said that one of the key things was
not being intimidated by Moore's scripts and just trusting to their
own artistic instinct.

I've asked this before, when we've ended up on this subject: when did full
script become cast in stone? Every full script I've ever had illustrated has
had some diabolical liberties taken with them by the artist. On all but one
occasion (when the artist very clearly didn't want to draw what was in the
script), the changes were improvements.

So ... as long as the artist knows that it's acceptable to take even a full
script and run with it, where's the problem? Aren't we back to the editing
again? If the editors are telling the artists to respect every last word in
the full script, then they're idiots. If the writer is throwing their toys out of
the pram because of a change the artist has made to the script, isn't it
down to the editor to tell the writer to stop being a prima donna asshole?

Cheers!

Jim
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Arc Carlton
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Anyway, can't have a thread about grandeur and not give a nod to Walt Simonson's Thor--
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That's a great panel. I wish I had that Simonson issue.

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Another favorite I grew up with, Keith Pollard, knows how to get the umph in the punches:

 

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Chad Carter
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Again, sorry I don't know the issue or even the talent involved (looks like Dick Giordano inking for sure), but I love the silence of Batman, once he's invited to some fisticuffs. That's the way a Batman who strikes fear should look when he's coming at you.

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Jason Mark Hickok
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Chad- great Pollard scene.  There is a lot going on in that.  Very underated artist as well!
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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That Batman scene, isn't that Rich Buckler doing his Neal Adams "impression"? Not loving it, to be honest.
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Chad Carter
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isn't that Rich Buckler doing his Neal Adams "impression"?

 

There's a lot of folks who need to get over Buckler's "impression"s, because the man is a better artist than a plethora of his contemporaries.

And why is Buckler the only artist who gets called foul when he adapts a style of another artist? There's a bunch of good artists who do that, then and now.

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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Chad, Buckler not only "adapted" the style of other artists, he also swiped extensively. Part of the reason I put "impression" in quotation marks is because quite frankly I suspect his Neal Adams style was a way for him to disguise just how much he swiped from Adams (and Giordano).  And while he constantly imitated other artists' styles and swiped their layouts, he loudly bragged how he was a superior artist to practically anybody else. Including the people he swiped from.

Sure, there are a lot of Neal Adams copies out there. A lot of Buscema copies, Arthur Adams, Jim Lee. Some people even seemed to copy Rob Liefeld. And when they swipe, they get called out, too.

The core of this is that he's a notorious swiper, and adapting his style to other artists just made it easier for him to swipe more extensively and swipe more of the detail of the original work. It made him a more efficient thief.

And he's not the only one people call foul over for adapting somebody else's style. Keith Giffen for one was publicly pilloried for it in the 80s. And Bryan Hitch has had to live down a lot of grief for being an "Alan Davis" clone early on. And a lot of the young guys hired into Image the first years had a "studio" style and had to live that down as they grew into their own. There are degrees, of course, and few as extreme as Buckler.

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Another favorite I grew up with, Keith Pollard, knows how to get the umph
in the punches:
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That would be a heckuva page to own...
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I remember looking at that kingpin/spider-man fight page over and over in
the parents car on long trips. That was a sweet book. I seem to recall that
Kingpin and Spider-man spend almost the entire book, every panel, fighting
in different parts of the Kingpin's mansion. Sweet.
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That bottom panel of Batman screams Gene Colan to me in the way the figure is posed and the cape flows and especially his right leg, but with a strong inker that is reining in his amorphous tendencies giving some solid crisp lines. I'd say Colan with either Giordano or DeCarlo on inks.
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What I would like to do would be to let them know what I wanted to convey to the reader. (Me)

In my opinion I respectfully disagree. Why not draw a simple sketch and see if it in fact is easily conveyed or not? (Response)
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Because I would be a writer with no art training in composition, structure, figure placement, direction, continuity, mood etc. etc. and the artist is the person who has, you know, artistic talent. Back to the JB 'FIGHT' plot - why should I the writer dictate that they, the artist which punch gets thrown, where it is on the page etc. Let them do that, it's their job and hopefully would increase their enjoyment (Again, JB's because of rather than in spite of comment).

Are artists robots or are they a talented part of the creative process?

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