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Posted: 27 June 2009 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | 1  

One of the things some fans seem to have trouble with is the (I should have thought) very simple notion that these pictures are symbolic. Whether its Donald Duck or a page from WATCHMEN, the pictures are used to tell the story, not to present a 100% spot on photo realistic representation of what's happening in every panel. So the drawing reflect mood.

I'll go with this again (second time today!):

Notice that in the third and in the last panels, Batman is drawn "realistically". The lighting on his figure fits the lighting in the room. But in the middle row, suddenly the lighting changes just for him, and even the way he's drawn changes.

Because Neal was being a lazy goof-off that day and not paying attention? No.   Because that was what the scene needed.

I learned a lot in this respect from studying Neal Adams. That's why, in the space of a single page, you might find my Cyclops in a costume that was very shiny, sort of shiny, or absolutely flat black. It's all about the demands of the moment. Ditto for Wolverine's (and in Neal's case, from time to time, Batman's) eyes.

(Which is why, I will confess, I am amused as all get out when I post a picture of Wolverine I've done as a commission, and his pupils/irises are showing. Elsewhere -- usually not here -- there will rise a chorus of "F**king Byrne drew Wolverine with his eyes showing! He's forgotten how to draw the character! Wolverine's eyes never show!" And I sit back and think of that "definitive" shot of Logan in the sewer that everybody seems to love so much. . . )

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I'll go with this again (second time today!):

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I never get bored of it (although I have to admit this is only the third time I see it). I guess that proves I'm new to the forum...

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Elsewhere -- usually not here --


Not IWMAN either, while I've read some critique, I've never seen
anything about eyes showing/not showing.
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Red sweaters in aisle three.
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JB on the topic of eye slits, with panel 4 of that NA Batman page as an example:

1)  Do you think the inker had a little trouble there or did stuff back then, uhhh "bleed" in an unpredictable way?

2)  When drawing super-heroes wearing a mask, do you construct the face underneath and build upon/draw around that or just know how the finished product is supposed to look and just draw it?

I ask the second question because my instinct has always been to construct the head/face and then add to it but I am often unsatisfied with the end result in that it doesn't look right(my skill level not withstanding).
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1) Probably bleed

2) I build the face, then put on the mask.
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