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Jason Czeskleba
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Robert Cosgrove wrote:
has also denied that he and Lee argued over his alleged
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I always wondered how they were supposed to have argued when Ditko was refusing to speak to Lee during his final year at Marvel. And how could Lee have forced Ditko to do anything he didn't want to do with Spider-Man, when Ditko was doing all the plotting by himself? If Ditko had plotted and drawn a panel of the Goblin unmasking as an anonymous person, I doubt Stan would have gone to the length of having a staff artist redraw it as Norman, which would have been the only way he could have changed it.
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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JB: "He's more like what McCartney was to Lennon."
Then who was Ringo? Don Heck?
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Jason Czeskleba
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Regan Tyndall wrote:
| My opinion may be unpopular, but I think both Kirby and Ditko are way over-rated. |
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Of course it's not fair to give Kirby or Ditko all the credit, but to go the other way and dismiss them as just talented artists and give Stan the lion's share of the credit is downright silly. They were cowriters, and co-creators of the characters. Without Kirby in particular there would be no Marvel Comics, period.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Don Heck as Ringo... that's a decent analogy. Both were more talented than people generally give them credit for. Both did solid, non-flashy work, and were team players.
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Horace Austin
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I watched the Ditko documentary at SDCC last year. Did anyone else
notice the use of STAR TREK (TOS) music in the first five minutes? It
was when images of Ditko's art were flashing on the screen. Specifically,
the music used was from "Mudd's Women". The sexy music that's played
when the ladies walk out of the transporter room leaving Scotty and
McCoy in a daze.
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John Byrne
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I'm sitting here doing that music in my head (how embarassing is that!?) and wondering how the heck it could be applied to Ditko's work!
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John Byrne
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…lso denied that he and Lee argued over his alleged
intention to do so.
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I always wondered how they were supposed to have argued when Ditko
was refusing to speak to Lee during his final year at Marvel.
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Which may also be nothing more than legend. The Interweb has made it
easier to fold such things into the public consciousness, but the
habit predates it!
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Robert Cosgrove
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"I always wondered how they were supposed to have argued when Ditko
was refusing to speak to Lee during his final year at Marvel."
"Which may also be nothing more than legend. The Interweb has made it
easier to fold such things into the public consciousness, but the
habit predates it!"
I don't know if Stan Lee has ever said that Ditko "was refusing to speak to
Lee during his final year at Marvel," or vice versa, but, per Ditko, "[s]ince
Lee chose to refuse to see and communicate with me before S-M #25, it
is just common sense that we could not have had any face-to-face
discussions on anything, let alone disagreements . . . What Lee 'saw' of
me after he stopped our usual face-to-face meetings, collaborations, on
comic book stories was through my artwork/rough panel scripts which
Sol Brodsky took from me and took into Lee's closed-off office." Quoted
from "The Ever Unwilling," by Steve Ditko, "The Comics," March 2009
issue.
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