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John Byrne
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Neal's last Batman job was in 1974? Oy! That's the year I made my
first professional sale (not counting THE MONSTER TIMES). Hard to believe
he's been off Batman for as long as I have been in the Biz!
There's that shadow again!
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Matt Reed
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Jason Czeskleba wrote:
| So that's a grand total of 27 Batman stories. Far more than a handful, but not that many in the grand scheme of things, or relative to the amount of influence they had. |
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You must have very small hands.
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Arc Carlton
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Been paying much attention to what's been going on at DC lately? Lee is
the Batman artist. He IS the style guide.
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He is way too popular in DC. A couple of issues a year in All Star Batman and people still love him.
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Greg McPhee
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Neal Adams is a GOD!!!
Batman and Green Lantern are a lesson in artistic and story telling classics.
Only Jim Aparo, Marshall Rogers and Norm Breyfogle come even close in terms of Batman artists to Neal in my book. (Even those 3 seem a tad long-winded to mention in the same breath as Adams).
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Jason Czeskleba
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Matt Reed wrote:
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I guess it depends on whether you're thinking relatively or absolutely. 27 stories certainly seems small relative to the 1000+ Batman stories that have been produced over the past 70 years. But in absolute terms, 27 does not seem like "a small number" to me. Three or four is a small number. JB did (I think) 34 issues of X-Men. Would you also say he only worked on a handful of X-Men stories? Would you say Ditko only drew a handful of Spider-Man stories? "Handful" doesn't sound right to me for a number in the 20s or 30s.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 11 June 2009 at 9:21pm
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Rick Senger
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Every Neal Adams job seems to cast a shadow. He only did 13 full GL / GAs but many still consider him the ultimate artist for that character despite the outstanding talent which preceded and followed him for far more issues. His art on those few Avengers issues also just blows me away. Deadman. Batman. The Inhumans. Conan. Whatever he touched became immediately amazing.
More than anything else, though, those incredible covers he did for DC in the late 60s/early 70s were the greatest kind of fraud! All the power, grace and excitement he suggested in his covers only very rarely showed up on the comic pages within, but somehow just his art was worth the price of admission.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Yeah, even though I'm a big fan of 1968-73 DC (one of the peaks in their history I think), I agree that many of the interior stories failed to live up to those great Adams (and later Cardy) covers. How could they, really?
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Matt Reed
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Jason Czeskleba wrote:
| JB did (I think) 34 issues of X-Men. Would you also say he only worked on a handful of X-Men stories? Would you say Ditko only drew a handful of Spider-Man stories? "Handful" doesn't sound right to me for a number in the 20s or 30s. |
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You hit it on the head. I think relatively in this conversation, so yes, relative to all X-Men work published, JB did do a handful of stories. Ditto Ditko. Doesn't lessen their impact on the characters they worked on, but I'm comfortable saying that Adams worked on a handful of Batman stories relative to the whole.
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John Byrne
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I did 38 issues of X-MEN in just over three years. Likewise Ditko on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Neal did ten less Batman stories, in different titles, over 5 years. That's what makes his "a handful of stories". If he had done those 27 stories in one title, consecutively, they would not be a "handful".And, like I said, he could have done three stories in ten years, and we'd still be standing in awe.
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The thing that always struck me about Neal Adams's artwork is that he made
comics look beautiful and effortless. He could do dynamic, quiet,
shocking, comic, etc. with equal flair. Amazing stuff.
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