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Rick Whiting
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Yep, Larry Hama did a lot for Marvel. He was one of the masterminds behind The Nam coic. He created most of the characters for G.I. Joe (which was a multi media hit). His run on Wolverine was a consistent top 5 seller for about 10 years straight. He created the character John Wraith, who is appearing in the Wolverine movie. He wrote the highest selling Amalgam comic, Dark Claw.
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James Johnson
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Where's Bill Mantlo?
Who put this list together?
Can we just say this list should be nuked and start over?
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John Byrne
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I'll second that emotion!
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Robert Bradley
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The obvious thing to do for a real Marvel Hall of Fame would be to start with the early contributors up to a certain date. In 1936 the Baseball hall of Fame started with Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Matthewson and Walter Johnson. They just lowered the bar to many times after that.
So you can do one of two things. Start with the cream of the crop - Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, John Buscema, Gene Colan, Joe Sinnott, John Romita - and work from there.
From that point you can add the obvious ones like Gil Kane, Sal Buscema, Roy Thomas, John Byrne, George Perez, Don Heck, Dick Ayers, Joe Maneely, Marie Severin, Tom Palmer, Chris Claremont, etc.
You have to make a decision on people like Wally Wood, Jim Steranko and Neal Adams. Are you worried that their longevity wasn't as impressive as their quality? All three made huge contributions. I'd include all three.
Your other choice would be to do what Marvel did and try to make your list from 1939 to 2009. The didn't do a particularly good job of it, but I took a crack at the Golden Age and Silver Age and here's a list I came up with (using the criteria of long-time quality contribution in most cases, with very significant short-term contribution for a few others) -
MARVEL HALL OF FAME (1939-1969 debuts)
WRITERS
Gary Friedrich
Archie Goodwin
Stan Lee
Larry Lieber
Denny O'Neil
Roy Thomas
ARTISTS
Neal Adams
Dan Adkins
Dick Ayers
Carl Burgos
John Buscema
Sal Buscema
Gene Colan
Dan DeCarlo
Steve Ditko
Bill Everett
Stan Goldberg
Al Hartley
Don Heck
Gil Kane
Jack Keller
Jack Kirby
Joe Maneely
Jim Mooney
John Romita
Werner Roth
Mike Sekowsky
Alex Schomberg
John Severin
Marie Severin
Joe Simon
Jim Steranko
Herb Trimpe
George Tuska
Barry Windsor-Smith
Wally Wood
INKERS
Vince Colletta
Frank Giacoia
George Klein
Tom Palmer
Paul Reinman
Chris Rule
George Russos
Syd Shores
Joe Sinnott
Chic Stone
Al Williamson
LETTERS
Sam Rosen
Artie Simek
MARVEL STAFF
Sol Brodsky
Flo Steinberg
(This was off the top of my head, so don't come at me with "How can you leave out <insert name here>?"
Edited by Robert Bradley on 30 April 2009 at 9:55pm
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Robert,
I think a Marvel 70th Anniversary Hall of Fame list should include the category Editors, and that Tom Brevoort's name should be included in that list.
Edited by Dan Walsh on 30 April 2009 at 9:36pm
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Paulo Pereira
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I think there should be a Comic Book Hall of Fame.
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Fantastic Four! The World's Greatest Comic Magazine!
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Robert Bradley
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Robert,
I think a Marvel 70th Anniversary Hall of Fame list should include the category Editors, and that Tom Brevoort's name should be included in that list. Good point Dan, but up to 1969 Marvel pretty much had one guy doing all that!
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On a related note, and I think this is a good thread to ask this question: How does everyone feel about comics where the comic title is overshadowed by the name of the author and/or artist? I've noticed some recent comics, especially JLA by DC that the title of the comic is dwarfed by the author/artist name. I grew up with comics that had the author and artists' names on the inside credits. I've grown used to (and even accept) seeing their last names on the cover. But when the author/artist name is so big that I can barely see JLA (or whatever), I have to say I don't care for this.
Note, I'm pretty sure I've seen this on other comics, but here's the example I was thinking of. http://www.mycomicshop.com/graphicnovels/item?IID=15044381
I guess what I am saying is that, I loved it when comics were written by Stan "The Man" Lee and drawn by Jack "King" Kirby. Seeing those titles gave the reader a sense of expectation and a chuckle. But nowdays (and maybe it's just me), I think many of the newer crop of authors and artists take themselves way too seriously! However, I could be wrong, and would be open to an alternate view on this subject.
Would love to hear from JB and everyone else on this question! :-)
Edited by Dan Walsh on 30 April 2009 at 9:51pm
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Good point Dan, but up to 1969 Marvel pretty much had one guy doing all that!
Yes, and wasn't he amazing! :-)
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Paulo Pereira
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Not good. That example you posted seems like an example of egos run amok.
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Robert Bradley
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I think it's more an overemphasis on the creators on DC's part.
Writers and artists come and go, but in order to maintain readership you need the readers to be loyal to your characters. Stan Lee knew that. He certainly promoted his artists (and himself) quite well, but he knew the fans were there for Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, the Hulk, Thor, etc.
Now they cultivate a fan following for a writer or artist who may jump ship to the competition in a year or two. How is that better business?
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