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Erik Larsen
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I'm a big fan of Gil Kane but his characters can lack warmth and a human
quality--they can look a bit mannequin-like and a good inker adds some
humanizing qualities. I thought Sin Greene was too heavy-handed and
that he tended to overwhelm Gil's pencils. A better choice was Murphy
Anderson who gave Gil's sinewy figures skin and added weight and
humanity. Klaus Janson did a terrific job early on but his later efforts--
not so much. Giant-Size Defenders #2 is awesome--the issues of
Daredevil they did together were outstanding--What If #3 was great--
the issue of DC Challenge, some years later, was not very good.
Wally Wood was another great Kane inker--and Frank Giacoia, Joe Sinnott
and Kevin Nowlan were terrific. Kane's own inks varied. Often he used
markers and that gave him a "dead" line (a line with no variation in line
weight--or thickness) but you got a good idea of what he had in mind.
Of the more heavy handed inkers--Rudy Nebres did a nice job and you
could still see Kane under it all. John Romita could be heavy-handed as
well but it sure looked pretty.
Problem is--Gil was more often saddled with inkers who simply didn't
know what to do with his stuff. Danny Bulanadi destroyed his Micronauts
run and too much of his early stuff was manhandled by Sid Greene or
Vinnie Colletta (a friend once talked to Gil about inkers and Gil said, to his
surprise, that Vinnie was his second favorite inker--my friend asked who
his first favorite was and Gil said, "Anyone else").
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Keith Champagne
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As far as I'm concerned, comic book art really doesn't get much better than Iron Fist #1 by Gil Kane and Dick Giordano.
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Vladimir Fiks
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Kane was amazing. I own two pages of his work. A great range of his talent
was that he could do action but also a quiet sensitive scenes.
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Pascal LISE
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Eric Larsen said :
"I'm a big fan of Gil Kane but his characters can lack warmth and a human
quality--they can look a bit mannequin-like and a good inker adds some
humanizing qualities."
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I agree that Kane's characters had a tendancy to look a bit too mechanical,
but I always assumed he was mostly interested in dramatic storytelling and
dynamic figures.
His style was perfectly suited for action, superheroes and Science Fiction.
As for inkers, I enjoyed Dan Adkins on his Captain Marvel run (slick and a
bit cold but so damn lush) and Giacoia on everything.
As a matter of fact, I loved Giacoia on everybody else too.
Danny Buladany… Grrr… That guy could possibly be the only one able to
bury even a Kirby's drawing below his heavy hand. I rank him next to
Colletta and Akin & Garvey.
Rudy Nebres was too heavy handed but he could preserve some of the
original drawing.
John Romita was a bit on the heavy side too but his style mixed so well
with Kane's own that the end result was gorgeous.
As for Wood ? Wally Wood was the ultimate inker if you wanted the end
product to look like Wally Wood's work.
I, for one, didn't complain, most of the time.
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Brian Miller
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...his Micronauts run...
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Never knew he was on Micronauts.
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John Byrne
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…Iron Fist #1 by Gil Kane and Dick Giordano…
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I wonder how much Gil and how much Dick there really is in that book.
Like I've said, using assistants is pretty much a given for artists of that
"generation", and as long as the end result looks good, I have no problem
with it. It's only when it comes to the original art there can be issues.
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John Peter Britton
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Gil Kane had said he always wanted to ink his own work i read. He didn't like the Atom or Green Lantern he would have liked to have inked these himself! i always thought that he drawed himself in his strips the faces looked to me a lot like Gil Kane.
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Pascal LISE
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John Byrne said :
"I wonder how much Gil and how much Dick there really is in that book."
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As long as the end product looks like Kane's art, I don't mind him using assistants.
As far as I'm concerned, Iron Fist #1 certainly screams Kane to me.
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John Byrne
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As long as the end product looks like Kane's art, I don't mind him using
assistants.
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Which is pretty much what I said, right?
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Robert Bradley
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Even under the heavy hand of certain inkers it's almost impossible not to recognize Kane's art - much like Kirby and Ditko.
Even when you put him with inkers known for having distinctive, sometimes over-powering styles (like Wood, Nebres, Romita, Greene, Sinnott and Janson) you still think "Gil Kane" first.
But I have to agree with Erik - I'm not as big a fan of some of Kane's inking of his own work - the Tales to Astonish Hulk stories being a good example.
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Pascal LISE
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John Byrne said ;
"Which is pretty much what I said, right?"
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Yes, but surely but you don't mind another viewpoint that supports yours?
As for what you said earlier :
"Like I've said, using assistants is pretty much a given for artists of that
"generation", and as long as the end result looks good, I have no problem
with it. It's only when it comes to the original art there can be issues."
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Isn't it the case each time the job is split between a penciller and an inker?
Meaning most of the time for comicbooks since that's the way they are
and have (mostly) been produced in US?
Edited by Pascal LISE on 26 April 2009 at 11:35am
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Chad Carter
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Gil Kane's artwork is savage. That's the best way to put it. There's a kind of madness in the characters when they're fighting, which speaks to some kind of primal evil. I think I wasn't a huge Kane fan when I was younger because of that savage quality, perhaps a bit intimidating to a brain wired for Jack Kirby. As I've gotten older, Kane's superior dynamism appeals to me, even if he's not in the strata of guys I dig. Way underappreciated today.
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