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Thor #165
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Thor #165, p.8
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It occurs to me upon viewing the above image of Him in His coccoon, that John Buscema drew something almost identical in the Avengers issue that brought back Jean Grey back in the mid eighties. Anybody know if this was an intentional nod to Him? I wonder if there was an idea floating around to connect Phoenix to Adam Warlock that was ultimately abandoned in the early stages. Probably not, but Jean Grey's mattress coccoon nevertheless resembles the above image a great deal.
Then again there are probably only so many ways to draw a coccoon. That's probably the more likely explanantion. Still, Jean's coccoon was quickly revealed to be a bunch of debris gathered around a telepathic shield anyway, so originally rendering it as a coccoon for a few panels wasn't really neccesary. It could've looked like anything, yet Buscema chose a Him-style Chrysalis. I wonder why?
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They did specifically say in Avengers 263 that Jean's cocoon looked exactly
like Adam's.
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Huh. Didn't remember that (haven't read it since it came out). Thanks, Ray!
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Nice character bit too. Who's drawing the cocoon? Cap, of course! He used to do that stuff for a living! Awesome.
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I always learn something from the way you maximize all
of the available space JB. That is just one of the
things that makes you a "professional."
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They did specifically say in Avengers 263 that Jean's cocoon looked exactly
like Adam's.
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"Very close" is not "exactly".
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Legend has it that Steve Ditko introduced Kirby to Ayn Rand and
Objectivism, and Kirby did the Him storyline as his take on the whole
concept. Stan wrote an entirely different story, using Jack's pencils. In
Kirby's version, for instance, the men running the "beehive" were good guys!
Legend further has it that this so disheartened Kirby that, while he continued
to pencil FANTASTIC FOUR, he stopped creating new concepts for the book,
which is why his last 30 issues or so are mostly recycling.
This theory would certainly seem to have legs. When you look at the characters that Kirby had a hand in creating that had their own series from 1961 (the collaboration with Lee on the Fantastic Four) and 1978 (the end of his last tenure with Marvel) and here are the characters he created (or co-created) that carried their own books at some point -
STAN LEE & JACK KIRBY AT MARVEL 1961-70
1961 - Fantastic Four
1962 - Henry Pym, Hulk, Doctor Doom, Thor, Two-Gun Kid
1963 - Watcher, Sgt. Fury, Doctor Strange, X-Men
1964 - Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch
1965 - Ka-Zar, Inhumans, Hercules, S.H.I.E.L.D.
1966 - Silver Surfer, Black Panther
1967 - Him
1968 -
1969 -
1970 -
JACK KIRBY AT DC 1971-75
1971 - Forever People, New Gods, Mister Miracle
1972 - Demon, Kamandi
1973 -
1974 - O.M.A.C.
1975 -
JACK KIRBY AT MARVEL 1976-1978
1976 - Eternals
1977 - Machine Man
1978 - Devil Dinosaur
The story that Kirby started saving his new ideas at a certain point (which would seem to be around the creation of Him) and then used them at DC seems to hold water. When he joined DC he promptly went to work introducing his new characters, and did the same when he returned to Marvel (with the exception of his stints on Captain America and the Black Panther).
Edited by Robert Bradley on 12 April 2009 at 10:35am
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Had he remained the enigmatic Him, he might have -- but Adam Warlock
didn't do much for me.
I tend to see them as totally different characters. Once they started really emphasizing the religious aspects of the character Starlin really took the ball and ran with it. Anyone who has read Dreadstar would be familiar with Starlin's thoughts on religion and how he used religious themes in his books.
  
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Never been the biggest Warlock fan, but this is a great commission! I really dig the facial expression.
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Anyone who has read Dreadstar would be familiar with Starlin's thoughts on religion and how he used religious themes in his books.
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