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Trevor Smith
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For what it's worth, Squadron was my first exposure to
Bob Hall, as far as I remember, and I loved his work in
it!
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Victor Rodgers
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I don't think either Paul Ryan or Bob Hall are terrible. However, I wouldn't hold up Squadron Supreme as an example of either's best work.
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I wouldn't either. But it wasn't terrible and I think the print quality and the inking hurt it more than anything. Go look for images from Death of a Universe (the Squadron graphic novel), some great art in there.
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Mine was the West Coast Avengers mini series.
Edited by Victor Rodgers on 17 March 2009 at 7:50pm
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Eric Smearman
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"Go look for images from Death of a Universe..."
No need, Victor. I own it. And I agree 100%.
Edited by Eric Smearman on 17 March 2009 at 7:58pm
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John OConnor
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"Andrew look back a few pages and you will see both him
and Bob Hall called Terrible. "
Victor-- I just checked -- no one has said that.
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Ray Brady
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Check page 3. Pedro said: "Squadron Supreme is WAY better as story, but, as
I said, the art is mostly terrible, in particular on the first few issues."
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John OConnor
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then I must apologize immediately
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JT Molloy
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Pardon my french but I'm SOOoooo fucking sick of "telling a
good story". That's the wooorst kind of buzzword/phrase that's come out of
the Quesada regime of comics.
Deconstructionist, needless political allegoy, decompressed absolute bullshit
is ALWAYS justified by these CON-artist frigging writers by dropping the
phrase "to tell a good story" and the fanboy idiots eat it up every single
goddamn time. EVERY sinlge time.
UGH.
Think for yourself, PLEASE some of you.
Edited by JT Molloy on 18 March 2009 at 12:51am
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JT Molloy
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I mean seriously, it;s just so VAGUE.
I'm done now I promise.
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Andrew W. Farago
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I'm not knocking Dave Gibbons' art, as I'm sure it was more the writer
dictating this, but why was everything so damn localized? It's like New
York in the Watchmen's world was 3 blocks. That teleporting alien squid
thing supposedly killed half of New York. Seems to me the thing killed
60 people tops.
Personally, I think the destruction in New York was that much more effective *because* we knew the victims. Pulling back and showing the city as a smoking crater would demonstrate tragedy, sure, but closing in on people that we've come to know over the course of hundreds of pages puts a human face on the tragedy.
Edited by Andrew W. Farago on 18 March 2009 at 1:19am
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Pedro Cruz
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JB, maybe I didn't phrase it in a proper manner but is it self-loathing to try to go beyond a medium traditional restrictions? Watchmen certainly isn't the only comic that does so. If comics hadn't tried to do so, they'd still be all exactly like they were back when More Fun Comics was first published.
Ray, there are 2 Pedros here. Maybe that lead to some confusion.
Matt, you are right, it is a pointless exercise. Thanks.
Edited by Pedro Cruz on 18 March 2009 at 1:44am
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Deepak Ramani
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Victor Rodgers wrote:
| I read [Watchmen] recently and I loved it.
Its a great story with some great characters. But so is Squadron
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I agree with this. I overall prefer Watchmen, but Squadron Supreme is a terrific comic book too. And while Watchmen is tied to a particular time and situation (nuclear armageddon) Squadron Supreme's warnings of a totalitarian government are pretty much always relevant. I don't really see that much similarity between the two stories, to be honest.
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Deepak Ramani
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JT Molloy wrote:
Deconstructionist, needless political allegoy, decompressed absolute bullshit
is ALWAYS justified by these CON-artist frigging writers by dropping the
phrase "to tell a good story" and the fanboy idiots eat it up every single
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I prefer to think the so-called "fanboy idiots" like the stories they buy, deconstructionism, political allegories, decompression and all. It's hard for me to understand, but Civil War, to pick an example at random, seemed to be liked by a large majority of people who read it. Otherwise, why waste your money buying it?
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