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Tony Tower
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It's interesting to me your view on Ross's work, JB. To me, MARVELS looked "too realistic," to the point where the folds and wrinkles and awkward poses made the characters look less majestic. Whereas from KINGDOM COME on, the characters seemed more super.
[As an analogy, I felt like it was a Alex Toth brand of "realism" in MARVELS, and a Neal Adams heightened realism in everything since.]
To put it another way, the heroes in MARVELS looked like the 1970s TV Spider-Man and the ones in KINGDOM COME look like Spider-Man in the Raimi films - always lit and posed perfectly, in a suit no one person could make at home, or probably put on without assistance!
My main complaint with Ross's work these days is the dour faces on the heroes on things like THE DC ENCYCLOPEDIA. Grim Captain Marvel?
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Jason Fliegel
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It also bugs me when he -- and other artists, as well -- "cast" superheroes. I want to see Reed Richards and Captain Marvel not the Professor from Gilligan's Island and Fred Macmurray.
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I was under the impression that it was C.C. Beck who "cast" Fred MacMurray as Captain Marvel -- so the character's look was based on the actor from day one.
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Stephen Robinson
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It also bugs me when he -- and other artists, as well -- "cast" superheroes. I want to see Reed Richards and Captain Marvel not the Professor from Gilligan's Island and Fred Macmurray.
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I was under the impression that it was C.C. Beck who "cast" Fred MacMurray as Captain Marvel -- so the character's look was based on the actor from day one.
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Per JB's post, there's a difference between the character being "inspired" by an actual person (Kirby did this with Big Barda, I believe) than the character looking like a very stiff and awkward tracing of the actor's head shot. I don't read JB's FF and see Jeff Hunter -- I see Reed Richards, but when I read MARVELS, I don't see Reed Richards, I see the Professor.
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John Byrne
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Whereas from KINGDOM COME on, the characters seemed more super.
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KINGDOM COME suffered from WHERE'S WALDO? Syndrome. Just too many
characters crowding the panels.
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John Byrne
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I was under the impression that it was C.C. Beck who "cast" Fred MacMurray
as Captain Marvel -- so the character's look was based on the actor from
day one.
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But not day two. The McMurray influence faded pretty fast as Cap developed
his own distinctive face.
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Andrew Hess
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JB -
Your Hank McCoy "casting" is hilarious!
And makes perfect sense in the context of your series.
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John Byrne
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My main complaint with Ross's work these days is the dour faces on the
heroes on things like THE DC ENCYCLOPEDIA. Grim Captain Marvel?
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The cover for that work is one of my least favorite of Ross'. Visible stitching
on Batman's cape? Superman folds his arms and his chest emblem wrinkles?
Yes, I know that is how it would really look -- but, y'know what? This
stuff isn't real!
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Paulo Pereira
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If anything, making these kinds of things realistic destroys the reality of them.
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Michael Huber
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I looked through those pics Gerry posted and they are too static. I mean, take the red image (background). Galactus is either getting hit by an enormous something, or he's expelling tremendous energy, I dunno, never read it, and the Surfer is passing by looking it over. I mean, there's a lot of something going on in that shot...and yet it looks like nothing more than a camera snapshot. There's no kinetic energy conveyed, no sense of urgency, nothing to get excitied about...nothing.
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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Yes, I know that is how it would really look -- but, y'know what? This
stuff isn't real!
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If it is drawn like it would look on a photo, from photos you take from real people in costumes, why draw it at all? The great thing about comics is you can make thing look like you want, without the limits of reality.
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John Byrne
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And that right there is the magic that is Neal Adams!
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William Watson
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I always remember Neal Adams saying he drew super-heroes as if they really existed. It wasn't until Alex Ross and the like came up that I realized the difference. Ross does super-heroes as if real people were given powers and Adams seems to do it as if the super-heroes actually existed.
Not sure if that makes sense to anyone else but it gave me a way to appreciate Adams in a whole new way.
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