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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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I guess my brain just saw the left-left, right-right thing and said "nope, not walking." |
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As seen in the panels Gerry posted, he doesn't walk across buildings,
he has to jump.
Incidentally, as good as the Ross image is, I still prefer the Kirby panel.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 2
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Ross isn't my favorite storyteller or comic book artist, but I'm in awe of the man's abilities. He sure can draw some amazing pictures!
As a general trend, I don't like the "photorealism" style. While impressive, it loses a lot of the imagination that makes comics books special. However, I thought it worked great in Marvels because that was a story told from a photojournalist's point of view.
Some ideas work well as an occasional change of pace, but not so well as a common, month-in/month-out standard. "Photorealism" is one of them, I think.
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Warren Leonhardt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 9:25am | IP Logged | 3
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I really enjoyed Alex Ross' 'Uncle Sam'. His approach truly suited the story of a mythical figure brought down to Earthly scale! That's not meant as a left-handed compliment. I think he's really good, if slightly miscast by realistically painting an abstract power like Galactus. If you're hiring Ross, you know what you'll get in terms of realism, so I can't fault him for delivering what he's known for. He's immensely talented and dedicated.
I was re-reading 'Jazzy John Romita' by TwoMorrows publishing again, (I do that a lot) and I was struck by how heavily Stan Lee laid on the push for dynamism in the Marvel product. I think that zeitgeist might have shifted slightly but it looks like it's still a prerequisite. How heavily it's pushed in editorial these days is hard to tell as a reader, tho. It's almost like comics are going through a 'cinema verité' phase, like the adventure newspaper strips in the 50s/60s.
The 'Fights & Tights' pages of most of the comicbooks are still going for that Marvel 'punch'. I don't think that ideal's gonna change.
Edited by Warren Leonhardt on 20 February 2009 at 9:28am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 4
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I think he's really good, if slightly miscast by realistically painting an abstract
power like Galactus. If you're hiring Ross, you know what you'll get in terms
of realism, so I can't fault him for delivering what he's known for.
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He wasn't "known" for much of anything when he did MARVELS.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 10:56am | IP Logged | 5
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that galactus does seem like a boy in a halloween costume.
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Took the words right out of keyboard.
Alex Ross can paint some lovely pictures, but it just doesn't work for me as sequential art. I don't really enjoy his comics -- the photo-realistic art just seems to act as a barrier from getting immersed in the story.
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John Byrne
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MARVELS was the first time I'd ever seen painted superheroes done
right. "Oh, this is great," I said. "This guy gets it!"
Sadly, it seems that Ross has spent much of his career since MARVELS
most pointed not "getting it." I find myself almost dreading the release
of each new product, as I know I will have to sit back and watch fandom
cheer as he sucks more and more of the grandeur out of the characters.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
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It's almost like comics are going through a 'cinema verité' phase
Well said; another comment I've read is that current books are enjoyable if one has 'flexible morals'. I miss the ol' days of bombastic, over-the-top action and wholesome fun.
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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I like exageration because longer limbs can imply movement, especially in a static image or a perception tainted by emotion.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 11:26am | IP Logged | 9
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It's almost like comics are going through a 'cinema verité' phase
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Well said; another comment I've read is that current books are enjoyable if
one has 'flexible morals'. I miss the ol' days of bombastic, over-the-top
action and wholesome fun.
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I'd say it's more a case of comics going thru an affected ennui phase!
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 10
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MARVELS was the first time I'd ever seen painted superheroes done right. "Oh, this is great," I said. "This guy gets it!"
Sadly, it seems that Ross has spent much of his career since MARVELS most pointed not "getting it." I find myself almost dreading the release of each new product, as I know I will have to sit back and watch fandom cheer as he sucks more and more of the grandeur out of the characters.
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I flat-out don't get Alex Ross. Well, I do like his covers (the recent ones for BATMAN RIP) because they are posed, but his interiors just seem stiff and awkward. He's also on my bad side for making Supergirl and Batgirl look plain and ordinary. That's a hangin' offense!
It also bugs me when he -- and other artists, as well -- "cast" superheroes. I want to see Reed Richards and Captain Marvel not the Professor from Gilligan's Island and Fred Macmurray. Gary Frank has done this with his version of Superman who looks eerily like Christopher Reeve. Oddly enough, I liked the Reeve Superman because he came the closest to looking like the comic-book Neal Adams Superman. However, making the comic-book version look like Reeve just doesn't work for some reason.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2009 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 11
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Completely agreed.
I was never a big fan of Ross either. When Marvels came out, I thought it looked impressive but the idea of painted comics never appealed to me. For one thing, they don't go well with lettering, especially computer lettering (which, imo, generally doesn't go well with any comics).
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 20 February 2009 at 12:27pm
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John Byrne
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Over the years, I have said that I "cast" the characters, in my head. By this, I
mean I often have an actor in mind, to give me an instant hook when I have
to draw the same face 500 times. I don't mean I got for a photographic
likeness.
Some examples of my casting:
Scott Summers - young Henry Fonda (thanks to Chris for that one)
Prof X - Keane Curtis
Hank McCoy (XHY) - Al Franken
Reed Richards - Jeffery Hunter
Ben Grimm - Rod Taylor
Colossus & Captain Marvel - Max Bayer Jr.
Control (NEXT MEN) _ Spencer Tracy
Jason Blood (most recently) - David Boreanaz
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