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Greg Woronchak
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Hmm, I'd never noticed how Layton's inks 'flattened' objects that should've felt 3 dimensional.
I guess I liked his 'glossiness', but realize it's quite overboard.
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
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Wow...this book is quite so good...has it been reprinted somewhere?
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Thanos Kollias
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And Layton was???
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Hm, he wasn't but I thought he was older in the biz than either you or JRJR. My mistake, apparently.
At some point, I had the idea he would work really well with George Perez.
Jua, Bruce answered your question before you asked it.
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Charles Valderrama
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Layton tends to be a bit strong in the 'glossiness' of his inks... i liked it
on IRON MAN but here in the Hulk Annual it's a bit much.
Still, i love this annual... wish we could see pencils from it.
-C!
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Rick Senger
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I guess I liked his 'glossiness', but realize it's quite overboard.
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This is a good word. Layton covers everything with a gloss. I've always believed JB's robots and mechanicals and "liquid metal" art are the best I've seen in comics, so Layton's inks on that one aspect of JB's work has always been a pleasure as he also seems to relish the liquid metal look. Layton's stiffer in the face department (they all look the same to me) and in some figures and I get what JB is saying about the oneness of texture. Still, as much as JB dislikes the inks, I think the gorgeousness of JB's pencils beneath does show through. Though distorted, I still feel I can really see the effort JB put into those pencils, with some lovely full backgrounds, etc. And that story rocks! This was a key comic book in my young reading days... really got me interested in Marvel and JB where I had largely been a DC guy up until that time.
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Jeff Albertson
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I love this book. I felt (still do!) that Byrne and Layton made an awesome team. Sorry to hear that JB and others don't like the combination. For me, the combination of the Byrne "fluidity" with Layton's "solidity" (for want of better terms) works really well. And Roger and JB's story was just plain fun! This book made me start picking up Roger's Hulk regularly. Sadly, no more Byrne/Layton art, but the Buscema art was not bad either.
edited to include JB on story credit -- I had forgotten he was the co-plotter.
Edited by Jeff Albertson on 13 January 2009 at 4:09pm
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Eric Russ
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Never knew about this until now.
Wish it was included in the Visonaires series.
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Shaun Barry
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Bob Layton:
Only my opinion, of course, but his peak was both HERCULES mini-series. Those books were entertaining as Hades!
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Dave B Stewart
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JB, did you design the Angel's New Mexico home? It is one of the most
memorable super-hero abodes.
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Brad Hague
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Reading the responses here blow my mind. This is one of my all-time favorite art issues. I LOVE the Byrne art and I LOVE Layton's inks. I can see what JB says about the inks, but still... maybe because it was just SO much BETTER than everything else that was coming out at the time that I have placed this on such a high pedastal.
I long thought that Layton was one of the few who actually could rival Terry Austin on inking John Byrne.
I understand the complaints, and I can see now better the Layton faces, but still, my heart has a soft spot for this great issue. Still love it.
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Andy Mokler
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Anyone have a scan or two from the current reprint? I'm curious to see what they did with the colors, etc.
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Sam Karns
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I love the sketch done by Mr. Byrne. Monstrous. As for the annual, it's another book I must have, I like the action sequences and the characters involved in the book. Of all the annuals I've read and was disappointed, John Byrne seems to make annuals worth every penny to purchase. I love the FF annual which links the events from a classic Stan Lee and Kirby tale with the skrulls.
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