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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133318
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Posted: 29 December 2008 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | 1
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Jean DeWolff deserved better than to get killed off-panel.
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Character serves story, story does not serve character.
For some writers, virtually a motif!
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 29 December 2008 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 2
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"The Death of Jean DeWolff" was a really good story, and the senseless murder of a familiar character certainly added to the emotional draw of the story.
However, I don't think one good story is adequate reason to kill off such a good, long-established character. There was a lot more that could've been done with Jean (even though, as Fred says, she had kind of faded out of sight. Probably had something to do with Bill Mantlo no longer writing the book, since he created her and always was her biggest proponent.)
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 June 2005 Posts: 9584
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Posted: 29 December 2008 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | 3
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Where is that gout of flame coming from? Is he spitting it?
I hope that's where it's coming from.
"The Death of Jean DeWolff"
I think Flavio might really be onto something. It WAS a good story, but it was also the story I remember thinking how dark it was. Great Daredevil fight issue in there, but still, I really liked Jean DeWolff.
I wonder if Maggie Sawyer was Jean DeWolff on DC Earth, still alive and kicking.
As usual, a beautifully-rendered and realistic supporting character from JB, who excells at them.
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 December 2008 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | 4
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I meant to say, Flavio is right when he points at a point in comics where things started getting "too much."
I've thought of this myself, and I think a strong argument can be made. Easy enough to point at Frank Miller or Alan Moore, but the Sin-Eater story in a kid-friendly (formerly) comic was a bit "too much."
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 December 2008 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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That's an interesting thought, Chad, and I think you might be right. The Sin-Eater story was a good story. But I'm not sure it was appropriate for a traditionally kid-friendly book like Spider-Man.
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Chris Durnell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1235
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Posted: 30 December 2008 at 12:55am | IP Logged | 6
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Jean DeWolff had real personality, and therefore she was much more memorable. Her eclectic style stayed within reason and didn't become the bizarre. It was real sad that she died. As mentioned though, she had not appeared for a long time when she was killed. I remember reading somewhere that Peter David purposely choose an existing Spidey supporting character, but one that had neither shown up in a long time nor was being demanded by fans. Then when he killed her, many letters came in stating that she was a favorite character. If only letters had come in earlier, perhaps someone else would have been choosen. Of course, it's not really the fans fault. No one knew their silence doomed DeWolff, and Spidey has had such an enormous cast over the years that fans were used to certain ones being gone for a decade and then coming back.
Can anyone come up with a list of Marvel precinct captains in NYC? There were several scattered about through the various titles. I'm pretty sure besides DeWolff that there were ones in Daredevil, Cloak & Dagger, and Moon Knight.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 12912
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Posted: 30 December 2008 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | 7
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Peter David purposely choose an existing Spidey supporting character,
but
one that had neither shown up in a long time nor was being demanded
by
fans.
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IIRC, he gave her a cameo in the PETER PARKER ANNUAL that came out
around that time, presumably, setting her up.
(incomprehensible story about Spider-man vs. the artist formerly known
as Prince, or something -- real cool Mark Beachum art, not really suited
to Spider-man, though).
Edited by Flavio Sapha on 30 December 2008 at 5:54pm
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 30 December 2008 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | 8
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I recall owning that Annual, believe it or not. Why, I have no idea.
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Robert LaGuardia Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 November 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1296
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Posted: 31 December 2008 at 1:50am | IP Logged | 9
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I had that annual too. It was one of the first comics I had, I'd love to re-read it. Thanks Flavio for the trip down memory lane.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 31 December 2008 at 8:17am | IP Logged | 10
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I need to re-read that annual, too, as it's been a long time. I liked Peter David's run on Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man, but I remember thinking that annual was kind of silly. "Why is Spider-Man fighting guy who looks just like Prince? Is this what it sounds like when doves cry?"
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 31 December 2008 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 11
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I've never seen her do it, Wayde,
I think that answers the question doesn't it? If she could do it, you wouldn't be able to see it?
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 31 December 2008 at 8:50am | IP Logged | 12
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That Annual was like a Charlie Murphy story for sure. "Prince could ball, man."
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