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Anthony Frail
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Tell you something I don't like about it! The date of the inks would
seem to indicate somebody had that piece in pencil form, and decided to get
it inked! Unless this was done on overlay, that means an example of Kirby's
pencils is now lost, and, let's face it, he's not likely to be producing any
more!
I'd imagine it would not be done on the pencils themselves; the mind boggles that
anyone would ever touch anything Kirby did at this point.
My guess on that one is that it was likely done for the Jack Kirby Collector, which
either commissions or seeks volunteer artists to ink over Jack's work-- not over
the actual work, of course!
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Vinny Valenti
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I wonder if anyone else will agree with me on this, but I've always felt that
Spider-Man was another character that Kirby never quite "got". Whenever I'd
see him appear in one of Kirby's titles, in particular FF#73, I never got the
sense that it was actually Kirby drawing him.
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Bob Simko
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No surprise on Kirby's Capt. Marvel...didn't he draw Captain Marvel Adventures #1 from Fawcett?
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Pascal LISE
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And this character plays in the "god" stuff that Kirby was made for !
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Flavio Sapha
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Spider-Man was another character that Kirby never quite "got"
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Totally off, is more like it. Which makes the claims that he had a hand in Spider-man´s creation just ludicrous.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Vinny Valenti wrote:
| in particular FF#73, I never got the
sense that it was actually Kirby drawing him. |
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Isn't that the issue where Stan had Romita redraw all the Spider-Man figures?
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Vinny Valenti
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Hmmm, is it? That would certainly explain a lot if it is!
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Bruce Buchanan
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I can understand why Kirby's Batman doesn't feel quite right. Batman is a "street-level" hero (perhaps the street-level hero), while Kirby's work tended to focus more on the cosmic and larger-than-life heroes.
Having said that, if someone unearthed a lost, unpublished Jack Kirby Batman story, I'd gladly check it out!
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Pascal LISE
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Bruce said :
"Having said that, if someone unearthed a lost, unpublished Jack Kirby
Batman story, I'd gladly check it out!
From Kirby ? Whatever unpublished story would probably be worth reading.
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Chad Carter
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To me, this is how Kirby's Spider-Man would have looked, and in NEW GODS ish 9, I felt like Kirby was definitely making a statement about Spider-Man with Forager.
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John Byrne
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Kirby's Spider-Man looked like Captain America, replete with open-chin
mask and buccaneer boots.
Not sure at all how you get Spider-Man out of Forager!
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Chad Carter
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Not so much Kirby's actual costume design, JB, but once Forager hits the city in that issue, he's jumping all over the place, climbing walls, fleeing police helicopters. He's a young kid who, when masked, looks fairly cool and warrior-like. 1963 Kirby's design, like his original design (in the trade collection of BLACK PANTHER) for T'Challa (horror scream,) might have lacked what the later designs did, but I wonder if Forager is 1972 Kirby's version as 1972 Kirby would have done Spider-Man.
I could have gotten into a shield-slingin Spider-Man.
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