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Andrew Bitner
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To me, DKR Batman starts out looking like classic Batman but the events of the mini seem to break him down-- by the fourth book, he was looking "hulkish" but also old and badly battered. This was a Batman staring at the end, for better or worse.
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Friedrich Thorben
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Miller's "Dark Knight" Batman looked like a fat marshmellow in the end. What happened to the whole art? I don't think that was intentional.
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Paul Kimball
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I think that the first time as a kid I saw Kirby's art and realized it was his
was on the superpowers series. I remember seeing that Batman and thinking
"this is the the guy everyone loves?". Forgive me, I was young.
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Brian Hague
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JB wrote: "Tell you something I don't like about it! The date of the inks would
seem to indicate somebody had that piece in pencil form, and decided to get
it inked! Unless this was done on overlay, that means an example of Kirby's
pencils is now lost, and, let's face it, he's not likely to be producing any
more! "
I believe that piece was inked on an overlay by Norm Breyfogle. The owner also commisioned Breyfogle to do a version that "fixed" Kirby's anatomy and stylistic choices. I don't recommend it...
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Flavio Sapha
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Miller's "Dark Knight" Batman looked like a fat marshmellow in the end.
What happened to the whole art?
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I see less and less of Klaus Janson there...
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Wayde Murray
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I've never read Dark Knight, mostly because Frank Miller's Batman doesn't work for me, visually. Alex Ross might have done a slightly worse job (excluding Kingdom Come), since his Batman is in his prime whereas Frank's is a much older man, but the hulking, brutish Batman just wasn't for me.
Images I've seen of Miller's Batman using a rifle made me think I made the right choice.
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Ted Pugliese
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Jack Kirby and Batman
I miss both of them...
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Ted Pugliese
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You gotta love Jack Kirby's Captain Marvel!
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Chad Carter
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Rich Buckler's version of the Thing has much informed my own
rendering of the character.
Now that's pretty cool.
Makes sense too.
What makes the Buckler Thing connect with you, JB, if I may be so bold?
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Flavio Sapha
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Miller's Batman using a rifle
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Nope. The rifle fired line-hooks or gas pellets. In DKR, Miller makes a big
fuss of Batman's aversion to guns.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Buckler's Thing was to me the only 70's version that retained the grittier Kirby feel to it. I'm sure it didn't hurt that Buckler was doing a fair amount of swiping of Kirby to get the results he did. But whatever the reason, his version was a nice sythesis of the Kirby version and the "orange teddy bear" 70s version developed by Buscema, Romita, and Sinnott and followed by pretty much everyone else at that time.
Even overlooking his version of the Thing, that Avengers #93 cover is one of the least impressive pieces I've ever seen by Adams. It seems very crowded. I guess he is human after all.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 07 December 2008 at 9:45pm
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Wayde Murray
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Flavio wrote:
Nope. The rifle fired line-hooks or gas pellets. In DKR, Miller makes a big fuss of Batman's aversion to guns.
I get what you're saying, but it was still a rifle. It fired non-lethal ordnance, perhaps, but it was still a firearm. The Batman's been throwing his lines for swinging for decades, and when he uses a mechanical assist (as in the animated series) it's by way of a device that looks nothing like a conventional gun.
It just looked wrong to me to see The Batman with a rifle stock up against his shoulder. Coupled with the too-bulky Batman and it was an easy decision for me to pass on the book.
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