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John Byrne
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(Incidentally -- that cover contains one of my least favorite copy motifs --
the statement/question. IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD - OR IS IT? Reads as
clumsy to me, every time.)
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Flavio Sapha
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There is a small amount of irony, I suppose, in Timm doing his
version of a Kirby Batman, and being more successful in capturing the
character than Kirby himself!
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Thought so. Always cautious about using the i-word around you, though!
;-)
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Couldn't find the aforementioned cover.
Kirby's CM looks pretty good:
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Michael Penn
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JB, extending from your explanation (for the which, thanks!), can an artist by dint of sheer industry and just constant practice eventually become able draw against his strengths in order to get a character that eludes him?
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John Byrne
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…can an artist by dint of sheer industry and just constant practice eventually
become able draw against his strengths in order to get a character that
eludes him?
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Speaking only for myself, I think my own drawings of the Thing are an
example of this. It took me a while to (a) find a hook into the character and
(b) develop that hook into my own, personal "take".
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Pascal LISE
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Kirby's style was so idiosyncratic, it was a shame to ask him to draw
characters he didn't create.
I couldn't care less to have him drawing Batman or Superman or Wonder
Woman and since I had no such expectations, his renditions of those
characters were fine for me.
I must confess that I've never been a fan of Superman or Batman, except
for the occasional take from a favorite artist of mine.
Not a DC fan in fact, although I had a fondness for Green Lantern or Atom
but I guess it's all due to the art of Gil Kane.
I just didn't see why publishers were so eager to waste Kirby's strenght on
useless assignments.
Edited by Pascal LISE on 07 December 2008 at 8:25am
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John Byrne
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As the story goes, Kirby was asked to retool Superman, much as I was some
20 years later. He declined, saying that instead he would take on JIMMY
OLSEN, and thru his work there show people what to do with Superman.
Didn't really work, of course.
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Yes, I read Kirby chose Jimmy Olsen because the title sales wasn't impressive
AND most of all because the title was about to change artist so he didn't
feel like taking someone's else job.
Edited by Pascal LISE on 07 December 2008 at 8:32am
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Michael Penn
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It took me a while to (a) find a hook into the character [of the Thing] and
(b) develop that hook into my own, personal "take".
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How much of that trial and error used comparisons to renderings of the Thing you thought were excellent?
"Hmm... still not Sinnot-y enough!"
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John Byrne
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When I was trying to find my version of the Thing, I looked at lots of
different interpretations. Those who got it the most wrong oddly
enough served as the best signposts along the way.
I will say, tho, that while I did not enjoy his take on the team for the most
part, Rich Buckler's version of the Thing has much informed my own
rendering of the character.
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It's interesting to me how reminiscent of Kirby Miller's Dark Knight is, yet Kirby's Batman never worked while Frank's proved very successful.
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John Byrne
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Frank's Batman goes thru the same physical arc as Marv, from SIN CITY. He
starts out as merely a powerfully built man, but over the span of a few
issues basically turns into the Hulk. It was something I didn't really notice
until the issues were collected.
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