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John Byrne
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When written "correctly" or well (the Stern / Byrne run leaps to mind), it is
ALL about the American dream, and at the root of that dreams are some
pretty darn good ideals.
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Roger and I used to say Cap was "Truth, Justice and the American Dream."
Whatever they might say about the American Way, nobody can knock
the Dream.
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Michael Penn
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Love it!
Did you re-think the glove, JB?
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Richard Patton
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That's the Cap I know and love. Excellent work!
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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And just to add a non-partisan comment, I'm English through and through but I love Captain America as a character and all the good American values he represents.
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John Byrne
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Leigh, I was a Brit-born Canadian when I "met" Captain America for the first time, in AVENGERS 4, but the character spoke to me in a way few ever have. When he is written properly (as he certainly was in that "debut"!) it's hard to imagine how anybody could do less than love 'im!
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John Byrne
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Did you re-think the glove, JB?
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Re-think?
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Joakim Jahlmar
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JB wrote:
"Roger and I used to say Cap was 'Truth, Justice and the American Dream.' Whatever they might say about the American Way, nobody can knock the Dream."
And I think it's that spot on insight that makes your handling of the character SO darn good, JB.
Speaking as a non-US citizen, I have to say that the depiction of US patriotism in fiction (whether it be literature, film, television, music or comics) can very easily go down like a lead balloon. As a part of a non-US audience (and presumably even some US audiences as well), it can occasion far too easily feel as if I'm getting something crammed down my throat that doesn't necessarily correspond to reality as I understand. The American Way is after all not without problems. The foundation of the dream, the ideals of liberty, equality, etc, while sometimes clearly hard to put into full practice in reality, is at the end of the day something worth aspiring too (even though we may not always be in agreement about how to get there).
As a character, Captain America is clearly a character who can VERY easily fall into the trap above. It's not that bad writing can't ruin a lot for all characters, it's rather that it takes such a "minor" shift from dream to way to make Cap's heroism to a glorious and singularly American affair, while when handled correctly he becomes a champion not just for America itself, but those high ideals the American dream is based upon. And I'd like to think that there are quite a few of us non-Americans out here who enjoys heroes who champions truth, justice and liberty!
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