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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 10:18am | IP Logged | 1
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Great recreation, JB. A couple observations:
-Sinnott is of course a terrific inker, but I'm always surprised at how easily I can tell it's his line. That is to say, I think he overpowers the pencils a bit, which is something I've not heard you have a problem with. Someone like Joe Rubinstein seems a lot harder for me to identify his inks (meaning that he seems to retain the original pencils more for each artist he inks; see OHOTMU for good examples of being able to identify the underlying artist), yet I seem to remember you mentioning that the art was changed somewhat. Perhaps details that the reader would never have noticed were there?
-I love your enhanced modern detail, but I have to say I prefer the fewer distinct rock plates of your older Thing compared to the higher number in your new (which also includes a higher number of textures in each individual rock plate). There's no question the new style is more detailed and better, but I think the look of the Thing is altered somewhat in favor of the newer style. Long story short, today's recreation Thing looks more like "my" Thing than does the older modernized recreation you posted as well.
Edited to add: besides the number of individual rock plates, I think it's perhaps the variable size of each rock plate. In other words, your older Thing would have larger rock plates on his pecs, thighs, and back than he would on his smaller limbs, etc. The new one seems to have similar sized plates all over.
Edited by Greg Reeves on 09 August 2008 at 10:21am
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Mike Steele Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 2
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This just got me thinking about credits on a movie and how they have to mention EVERYBODY who even washed a dirty coffee cup on a set.
I wonder if this same thing might be easier for artists who do recreations to mention the primary artist on the front of the piece -- the "creator" and then just do a laundry list of everyone else involved on the backside of the piece -- I mean -- Joe Sinnott didn't letter the piece, does John Byrne have to give credit to the letterer as well?
Like a whole Pandora's box full of canned worms...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 3
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Joe Sinnott didn't letter the piece, does John Byrne have to give credit to the
letterer as well?
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There I'd say no, since I lettered in my own "style". (And, fortunately, from
my own script!)
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 4
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As most of the readers, the first Thing I saw was the "definitive" one (in a 1979 issue drawn by Sal Buscema).
When, years later, I finally read FF #1, I couldn't believe that scary character was the same I knew! I had similar experiences with origin issues of Spider-Man (never heard about this Ditko guy before) and Daredevil (a yellow costume?), but it was nothing compared to the impact the original thing had on me. I tried to imagine how he had to feel... he and his 3 friends, of course. And it was a bad sensation!
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Gerry Turnbull Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 5
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JB, do you have a preference over doing an exact recreation or a version with your current style?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 6
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One of the elements I tried to bring back to the character was that, despite Kirby's
penchant for drawing him in Little Lord Fauntleroy outfits and Beatle wigs, Ben was
not enjoying being the Thing. And I also like to underscore how horrific he
would be to Joe Average, come upon unexpectedly on the street.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 7
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JB, do you have a preference over doing an exact recreation or a version with
your current style?
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Sorry, I don't understand the question.
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Gerry Turnbull Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:30am | IP Logged | 8
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when doing a recreation piece,If given the choice of doing it exactly as per the original, or doing it as you would draw it now,is one of these options more appealing than the other?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 9
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As noted in my initial post in this thread, my preference would have been a
"modernized" version. Essentially, inking over the same shot in my present
style.
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F. Ron Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 10
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That's a fun piece! Especially gratifying to see the lettering --a nice choice
on the part of the commissioner. Modern? Old-style? All things go better
with Byrne.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 11
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JB - My opinion is that it would be nice to have some sort of acknowledgement to Sinnott on this piece. Especially since, as you say, he was working from your breakdowns, and so created the look of the plates of the Thing. If he was working more as an "Inking Robot"* I would think it didn't matter as much; but even then, the inker almost always has some effect on the final piece.
* As Terry Austin has referred to himself!
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Brad Brickley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2008 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | 12
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Interesting panel recreation, like it a lot. I've always liked past meeting present, makes for interesting reactions. If you did meet yourself, would you like you? If I was the one visiting the past, think I'd try and tell myself to be a little more thrifty with the money. Unless I was a Super-Hero, then we'd just fight!
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