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Michael Retour
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If I had my way I'd just clean slate on Marvel and DC or ignore everything and just tell good stories.
Oh yeah, and limit the amount of X-Books to one or two tops (one of which being Hidden Years).
I believe comics is going the way of the dodo bird and it is going to be trades etc. only or maybe something on the web.
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Warren Leonhardt
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Why not? They did it with the Claster cartoons. Most 80s cartoons were like that. I must argue this!!!
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Give me break! :) You know I love ya, Martin, but MAN!
80s TV cartoons were crappy looking. Look again with trained eyes, absolve yourself of nostalgia. I L-O-V-E-D Thundaar as a kid, still do, but man it's a terribly animated/drawn show. It was CRANKED out! And the model sheets were Toth originals fer chrissakes!
In an effort to cut production costs over and over again, these days a TON of animation is continually getting shipped to inexperienced overseas shops who can't hit that high of a mark (or hell, any mark) consistently.
I've been on shows that started in great shops like Rough Draft and Big Star in Korea - they do the actual animation for the Simpsons, Futurama, Fmaily Guy, as well as anime like Naruto, Dragon Ball-Z, etc, they have incredible consistency across a myriad of styles, good, bad or ugly - then a production will get shifted to new shops in the Phillipinnes as the Korean studios get better and charge more, then from the Phillipino studios into mainland China as the Phillipinos get better and charge more, etc...etc...
So making something as nice as Lopez' work stick, a corporation would have to sink a ton of dough into the cartoon ad nauseum - which, let's face it - is often just percieved by them as an ad for lincenced merch. They'd never do it. Lopez' artwork animated properly (no 'motion-comics' or 'Merry Marvel' ripoffs like Black Panther on BET) will never happen, unless it was a big-budget feature with PLENTY of time to make it right.
A lot of the Flash-based productions are on the right track, but they need skilled artists to do customized poses to avoid looking like someone cut apart a panel and just moved the bits around.
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If I had my way I'd just clean slate on Marvel and DC or ignore everything and just tell good stories.Oh yeah, and limit the amount of X-Books to one or two tops (one of which being Hidden Years). I believe comics is going the way of the dodo bird and it is going to be trades etc. only or maybe something on the web.
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I agree with you on this part, that's for sure...it's been a poorly run business for so long - how viable is it going to stay at this rate?.
EDIT: I meant the monthly issues - not the 'industry' itself.
Edited by Warren Leonhardt on 09 August 2008 at 9:25pm
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Dave Aikins
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". They'd never do it. Lopez' artwork animated properly (no 'motion-comics'
or 'Merry Marvel' ripoffs like Black Panther on BET) will never happen, unless
it was a big-budget feature with PLENTY of time to make it right. "
Super Friends tried in it's last "Super Powers" incarnation. They scrapped the
Toth designs and went with the Lopez style guide. Go buy them and see for
yourself. It's hysterical, in an "oh my God they can't trace Garcia Lopez" way.
And if you can't get Toth right in animation, there's no way in hell you're
gonna do Lopez justice.
But they did try...
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Warren Leonhardt
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I rest my case. :P
Gotta see that one! Think I'll rent it tho ;)
Thanks for the heads up, Dave!
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Francesco Vanagolli
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Michael Retour:
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Francesco Paul Pope's work isn't "Superheroes = fantasy, grandeur, irreality?"
Really? Isn't it just a different style than others? I see all the things you mentioned below. |
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I dunno... I don't know what this image is. Part of the Baman book?
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John Byrne
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The below is hardly what Bruce Timm and his cohorts have done with the Batman stuff.
•• I disagree. Bruce's style is a pleasing mixture of Kirby and Toth (with a lot of other influences I don't recognize thrown in, too, I'm sure), and it bares little resemblance to Garcia Lopez's work --- but the characters are recognizably the characters. This is the important element that has been lost. When I was studying the form, trying to figure out how to do it before I broke into the business, I was very much aware that different artists drew in their own styles, but there was still a sense that they were "looking at the same model". If Neal Adamns, Berni Wrightson, Irv Novick or Marshall Rogers drew Batman, their styles were very different -- but they were all drawing Batman. The same guy, in the same suit. Likewise with Timm. He didn't draw HOW Garcia Lopez drew, but he definitely drew WHAT Garcia Lopez drew.
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John Byrne
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…'Merry Marvel' ripoffs like Black Panther on BET…
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That is just insulting. The Panther animation has as much to do with the
"Merry Marvel" stuff as fillet mignon has to do with hamburger.
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Joe Zhang
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This is getting annoying. I'd better change the channel.
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Andy Smith
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I have a Green Lantern that is a grail of my art collection and I believe it's from the style guides Jose did. I'll post up an image of it later.
Andy
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Warren Leonhardt
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…'Merry Marvel' ripoffs like Black Panther on BET…
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That is just insulting. The Panther animation has as much to do with the
"Merry Marvel" stuff as fillet mignon has to do with hamburger.
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The stuff looks great, how can it not using JR Jr's work directly, but the movement could be so much better with a great budget. That was all I meant and I worded it all wrong.
Didn't mean to offend. I'll shut up now.
Edited by Warren Leonhardt on 10 August 2008 at 11:06am
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Michael Retour
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I think Timm et al. have really set the standard with animation work today. Paul Dini, David Bullock, Darwyn Cooke at one time, etc. really have done an outstanding job.
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Andrew W. Farago
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Keep posting that Garcia-Lopez artwork, please! As a child of the eighties,
it's amazing the number of flashbacks I'm getting from all of those
drawings. Coloring books, wrapping paper, and just about any Batman or
Superman toy that was given to me in the early part of that decade featured
his artwork, and it always triggers that "warm fuzzy" part of my brain when I
see his work.
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