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Posted: 07 August 2008 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 1  

You seem to be (deliberately?) missing the point. Plenty of characters
"make their own costumes" (tho your DOOM PATROL reference is off --
Rita had hers run up on the HQ's factory floor). Spider-Man made his
own costume. Presumably the Silver Age Flash made his own costume.
The SA Atom. And, yes, Superman.

But the artists who drew those "home made" costumes understood
(as did Joe Shuster, as noted upthread) that what they were selling was
not "life" but something bigger, something better, something more
fantastic. So Peter Parker is able to make a costume better than most
Hollywood costume shops can produce. Martha Kent can stitch up
something no movie could ever show us. And the Flash can whip up a
"home made" costume that can be compressed into a spring loaded
compartment on a signet ring.

THAT'S what superheroes are about. If you want something else,
go check out some other genres. You'll find everything you're looking for
in abundance.
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I seem to recall you talking about Lee and Kirby's run on the FF being the
greatest run on any series (I could be wrong) and that is the Silver Age I am
talking about.

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And that by you was "a total mess"?

Which FF were you reading?
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It seems that the Wonder Twins would like to add their opinion as well...

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Michael Retour
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No I am not missing the point on purpose and you dodged the Silver Age FF question.  You know the Silver Age I am talking about.  I am talking about comics today being a total mess or DC would have you on a Generations book or a JSA or a Hawkman.  Marvel would not have canned Hidden Years. 

I meant Nudge from Doom Patrol and all she did was modify what factory floor came up with so that's my mistake.

Is Paul Pope's version any different than Frank Miller's?  Other than the obvious differences in artistic styles? 

Al not everyone here is disagreeing about Pope so please spare me the "we" because this isn't a pack of wolves is it?  I just expressed my opinion about Pope's Batman and his art.  You don't agree and you're right it doesn't matter. 




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LOL, yeah those boots Batman has on the cover of Super Friends work for me.

I think there is room for plenty of Batmen in the world. 



Frank Miller's Batman (both of them).




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Michael, you grow tiring in a real hurry.

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Dave:

I'm betting it's the platform boots!
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DAMMIT AL, YOU"RE SUPPOSED TO SAY
"SPOILER WARNING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I haven't read it yet!!!!!!!!!
dammit.
turns out he's also a sled.
and Luke's father.

...who just happens to wear platform boots.

And I would just like to say that as much as I liked Pope's Batman, I'd rather have Fradon's in a heartbeat.
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Whoops! Sorry 'bout that, Dave!

(And you forgot that he's a sled who was Luke's father who's been dead all
along
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ya know I was gonna add that as well as the fact that...

She's actually a guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Too funny! I left that one out because I didn't want it to seem too over the
top!
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Chad Carter
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Pope still wasn't drawing THE Batman. He's drawing A Batman. For a series about a dark future blah blah blah.

This is not THE Batman either, even if it IS more palatable to most folks:

Here is a literal interpretation of Pope's art:

 

There's nothing inherently wrong with this. He drew an Elseworlds story, basically. He wasn't going to go near the monthly Batman title (well, not if he was smart). But Batman seems the icon to accept variation and still survive unimpeded.

The thing I get from Pope here and in other shots is that his Batman is more animal-like, less Man and more something else.

The other aspect of all this is the seams and the laces and the wrinkles and crap is a style in vogue right now. It's all over comics and will remain all over comics. Cap with pouches? You got it. Does it offend me? Not really. No more than the dated hip populist dialogue that is going to date comics worse than anything produced by Marvel in the '70s.

I like the theory behind the art, even if some of the art doesn't strike me. There's a lot of manga crap in there I could care less about. But I like the "animal" Batman approach.

Myself, Dick Sprang's Batman is THE BATMAN. There's many artists who do a great classic Batman, Newton and JB and Barreto and Colan and Mazzuchelli among them. And Frank Miller's Batman, in DKR, because an old Batman is a great Batman.

This is a blip on the radar in any appreciation of Batman, but if Pope's "classic" Batman is the same sort of grimy animal, then it falls into the weird category along with Kelley Jones. I can enjoy it for what it is while admitting no Batman, or human, ever looked like that.

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>>The other aspect of all this is the seams and the laces and the wrinkles
and crap is a style in vogue right now. It's all over comics and will remain all
over comics<<

Block that jump! I'm reminded of the Simpson's line "it's a fad that's here to
stay!" Really, nothing is here to stay when it comes to fashion.
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