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Paulo Pereira
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Thanks, Chad.
And Dan, good point. Kirby's impact shots seems to emanate light but I also don't think it was light that actually produced shadows. Here is, perhaps, one such panel--
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Wallace Sellars
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I like the Kirby "impact lighting," and am also a fan of JB's "stars" approach, though I don't think I've seen it on any of his more recent work.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Well, Kirby didn't use light source shadows as much as Rude does. Rude melds a few different stylistic directions like Kirby, Toth and and a few even more illustrative artists. Sometimes the techniques of one style look strange when imposed on another. Such as using impact lighting as a genuine light source.
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Joel Tesch
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I never was a big fan of the stars approach. I like the impact lines much better.
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Chad Carter
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Impact lines, not stars please.
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Michael Retour
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Thanks JB and Paulo. I have to confess I like the original pencils too (especially panel 4). Maybe I am too big of a Rude fan? Maybe I just don't have an eye for these things.
Paulo what are all the other side by side comparisons? They are interesting.
Thanks!
Edited by Michael Retour on 06 August 2008 at 9:21am
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
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to confess I like the original pencils too (especially panel 4). |
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I could be wrong I don't think those are the original pencils; I think that page was redone especially for the Art of Inking.
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You mean what are the differences? If so, from what I can spot:
Panel 1: Different window frames and different positioning of the goon. There is foliage in the penciled sequence. There is also an actual moth on the Moth's wings in the penciled sequence.
Panel 2: Minor differences not worth commenting on
Panel 3: Different light fixtures and articles of furniture. I'm not sure what those spherical objects are on the right side of the panel in the penciled sequence. (Fruit, maybe? Hard to tell since they were never previously established) The positions and appearances of the 2 figures on the left side of the panel are different. Girl looks different (in the story, she is Chinese, a relevant story point; on the penciled page, she looks like a white gal from the forties).
Panel 4: Different panel, of course.
Panel 5: Again, different girl. Positioning of Moth's feet is different and his fingers (which are a bit skinny, a feature about which Toth complained) are showing in the penciled sequence.
Still can't see any improvements, though. Besides the differences I pointed out, it still looks to me like the same basic sequence.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 06 August 2008 at 9:25am
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Michael Retour
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No, I meant the other art on the site not Rude's comparison etc.
I have "The Art of Inking" but haven't looked at it in some time.
I just wish Nexus #101 would see light of day!
Paulo what are some of the other artists you like?
PS - We must have been posting at the same time. Thanks for the answer but how come some of the pages look different? Is that how they were published in various incarnations?
Edited by Michael Retour on 06 August 2008 at 4:05pm
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Paulo Pereira
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Sorry, Michael. I mistakenly linked to my Photobucket gallery instead of directly to the side-by-side page (I've fixed it). (BTW, that stuff is just various stuff: comic pages and some artwork of mine).
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 06 August 2008 at 4:21pm
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Ed Deans
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The Toth critique was as informative and illuminating as it was emphatic.
He was clearly frustrated by the storytelling mistakes he was seeing.
The right response by Rude would've been, "Thank you."
Clearly talented, it's depressing to see Rude making some of the same
panel-to-panel storytelling mistakes still being made in the Moth page. It
looks like he's drawing for impact, not for story clarity.
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Michael Retour
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Well, Rude's no Andru and Esposito or Eisner and Wood to be sure.
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Chad Carter
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I've been studying THE MOTH...first of all, the story the panels in question is a short 8 pager in DARK HORSE PRESENTS...part of the explanation for some of those panel mistakes in that instance.
Elsewhere, in the longer form stories, Rude's pencils and compositions are as tight as a nun's habit. So far, really pouring over 3/4 of the book, I can't find other instances of details being bungled.
If this Rude problem is rearing its head on a regular basis, I can't find it. And there's a LOT of Kirbyesque panel-to-panel fight scenes, and all of them are great. No matter the minor detail, Rude hasn't kerflucked in any of the longer, newer pieces that I can see.
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