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Al Cook
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I see lots of yellow and blue here. Not.
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Paulo Pereira
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Well, I'm sure some of the snow it leaves behind is yellow.
Great clip, Al.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Victor R. Rogers wrote:
| You know something else bugged me about Fang's costume on Wolverine. It
just seemed really unsanitary. For some reason Fang struck me as
swimming with disease. |
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Heh. Wolverine's thought balloon on the splash page of X-Men #109 ("I gotta get out of these alien threads before I start climbing the walls") made me wonder if the costume was infested.
Like most everything Dave designed, the Fang costume is very visually appealing and creative, but it always struck me as too flashy for Wolverine's personality. Not something you'd expect him to want to wear.
I remember being surprised by the costume when it debuted in Iron Fist #15, a month before it first appeared in X-Men. Ironically, at the time I wondered if it was a Byrne design because of that.
And I remember my 12-year-old brain picking up on a mild continuity glitch because of the costume switchover and switch back. Since X-Men #105-109 (June 77 to Feb 78) was one continuous sequence, the editors obviously made the decision beforehand that Iron Fist #15 (September 77) should take place after the X-Men's encounter with the Starjammers et al. So they no doubt asked JB to use Wolverine's new costume for the Iron Fist story to indicate that, since that's what he would be wearing henceforth. But of course after the Iron Fist story was drawn, JB got the X-Men gig and was successful in getting the old costume reinstated, and he had Wolverine remove the Fang costume immediately upon the X-Men's return home. Leaving my nitpicky 12-year-old self to wonder, "if Wolverine hated the Fang costume and took it off immediately upon returning home, why would he put it back on several days later for the events of IF #15?"
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 04 July 2008 at 12:26pm
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John Byrne
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And I remember my 12-year-old brain picking up on a mild continuity
glitch because of the costume switchover and switch back. Since X-Men
#105-109 (June 77 to Feb 78) was one continuous sequence, the editors
obviously made the decision beforehand that Iron Fist #15 (September
77) should take place after the X-Men's encounter with the Starjammers
et al. So they no doubt asked JB to use Wolverine's new costume for the
Iron Fist story to indicate that, since that's what he would be wearing
henceforth. But of course after the Iron Fist story was drawn, JB got the
X-Men gig and was successful in getting the old costume reinstated, and
he had Wolverine remove the Fang costume immediately upon the X-
Mens' return home. Leaving my nitpicky 12-year-old self to wonder, "if
Wolverine hated the Fang costume and took it off immediately upon
returning home, why would he put it back on several days later for the
events of IF #15?"
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It's even WORSE than that, Jason! I drew Wolverine in his usual duds, and
editorial had them redrawn as the Fang outfit. Lot of redrawing on that
issue. Virtually none of the X-faces are mine. Since it was my "audition"
for UNCANNY, it seemed very odd to allow Dave such liberties. At the
time, I asked if he was going to redraw all the faces in the regular title
once I came aboard.
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Chad Carter
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Actually, there's some precedence for bright colors as related to dangerous animals in the wild.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Animal-Appearanc es-1.htm
Most of the links are dead, I apologize, but still...while an artist friend of mine was researching color design for a character we'd come up with, he stumbled across the "bright color/deadly animal" warning signs, mostly related to poisonous or spiny creatures.
Anyway, for my money, what about this variation, in my own amateur fashion?
 I couldn't get the yellow to dull any more, but the blue is brown.
I prefer the Bobcat. Best costume for me.
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John Byrne
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…there's some precedence for bright colors as related to dangerous animals
in the wild.
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But not Wolverines.
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Jason Czeskleba
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John Byrne wrote:
| It's even WORSE than that, Jason! I drew Wolverine in his usual duds, and
editorial had them redrawn as the Fang outfit. |
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Wow. I'd remembered you mentioning the redrawn faces, but I didn't know they had Dave redraw the costume for that issue, too. Was it Archie Goodwin or Dave himself who initiated all the redrawing?
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 04 July 2008 at 12:48pm
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Flavio Sapha
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Fang and Sabretooth´s costumes are a bit alike, aren´t they?
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John Byrne
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Now that you mention it, yes. I used fur where Dave used claws.
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John Byrne
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Was it Archie Goodwin or Dave himself who initiated all the redrawing?
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It would have started at the editorial level. Dave probably decided for
himself where he was going to stop.
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Bill Collins
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The bright red belt has always bothered me,it`s too big as well!The J.B. brown version is ace,i would like to see it with a more neutral/smaller belt,maybe even fang`s belt. I always thought that Wolverine wearing bright yellow was his way of saying `Look how stealthy i am if i can hunt you down wearing this`
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Mike Norris
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Had to give it a shot.
Did Fang's costume include lifts? Micro hero Logan is taller in that costume.
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