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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 1  

As noted, that would require a LOT more thought than went into those early issues!

Taking a break between pages, I was perusing my copy of the IRON MAN Omnibus that arrived yesterday, and was struck once again by the writing-on-the-fly approach that pretty much defined early Marvel (and of which I was, of course, totally oblivious when I was the target audience, 12 years old). The first Iron Man story leaves us with Tony Stark "trapped" in the armor, forced to wear it to keep the piece of deadly shrapnel from piercing his heart. The whole suit, mind you. Stark muses on how he is no longer Tony Stark. He is now only Iron Man.

With the next story, he's back to his playboy life, and the chestplate, now all he has to wear all the time, is keeping his heart beating!

Set this alongside the missing Skrull, the disappearance of Spider-Man's indirect role in his uncle's death, the 20-something Xavier, the umpteen different versions of the Hulk who appeared in the first six issues alone, and we see that there was no over-arcing plan to any of this stuff. They were just there to produce the product and, if at all possible, have some fun!

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And that's what Stan was the master of!
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the disappearance of Spider-Man's indirect role in his uncle's death


Where did this disappearance happen?
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That one at least I was able to cover, Robert, when I revisited that storyline
during my tenure on FANTASTIC FOUR. I established that Skrull eyes work
differently than ours do.


Interesting. I've read your run several times and obviously missed it on numerous occasions.

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the disappearance of Spider-Man's indirect role in his uncle's death

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Where did this disappearance happen?

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The first issue of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. Recalling his origin story in
AMAZING FANTASY, Peter remembers that Ben was killed while he, Peter,
was off "showing off". No mention is made of his having failed to stop
the burglar when he had the chance.

This element was reintroduced, but long enough went by without it that
when I picked up a second hand copy of AF about two years after being
introduced to Spider-Man via his own magazine, I was quite surprised to
learn of this additional detail.
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the 20-something Xavier

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In love with Jean Grey! Imagine if Stan had stuck with that, fomented a rivalry 'tween Scott and Professor X for Jean's affections -- and thrown Warren in the mix too. Yeesh! The X-Men would have been quite different!

Back when The Beatles first made it big -- around the same time that Marvel burst out -- Lennon and the boys would talk about the band as a short-term venture, maybe just a few years. Did Stan and his boys have a similar perspective? The DC characters had already had some two decades of published life; but did Stan & Co. think that Spider-Man would also last twenty years?

It is instructive, either way, how fast and loose Marvel played with even its originating concepts and yet made great stories that the kid audience never blinked at.

Edit: Xavier was set up as a young man in love with Jean but who would not profess his affections as long as he was in that wheel chair. Did Stan simply transplant the idea to Scott -- a young man in love with Jean but who would profess his affections as long as his eye-power was not controllable?



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Back when The Beatles first made it big -- around the same time that
Marvel burst out -- Lennon and the boys would talk about the band as a
short-term venture, maybe just a few years. Did Stan and his boys have a
similar perspective?

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Yes. Marvel did not have a history of great successes. Dating back to
Timely, it had been the company of short sprints more than long hauls.
Stan and the gang had no reason to believe their return visit to
superheroes would be any more successful than the monster titles that
had dominated their line for much of the previous decade. It's one of the
reasons Stan "broke the rules" as he did, dealing in real time, for instance,
for the first few years. Once the realization kicks in that Marvel is maybe
going to be around for a while, you can see the brakes being applied, and
a more "conservative" approach beginning to take hold.
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leaves us with Tony Stark "trapped" in the armor, forced to wear it to keep
the piece of deadly shrapnel from piercing his heart
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Yup! Man in the iron mask, indeed!
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