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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 22 October 2010 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 1
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I do not believe for one minute, he has wanted to pass the buck on issues of health care and DADT. The role of President is not to write laws and pass them. Obama is a constitutional scholar. He has had to endure one of the most polarized , hate filled political climates I have ever seen.
Presidents get things done, because they can go to their party and push through issues that are important to them. In normal situations, we can even get those on the other side of the aisle to vote with the opposing party. But as we have seen, the republicans have voted in block almost every time. Maybe one or two have jumped ship, but that is it. And there is just not enough votes to override the republican filibusters.
I am sorry but I am going to defend Obama because I do think he has done a good job. And I am proud of the democrats record. Look at the vote on DADT, the democrats passed repealing it. Those that voted against DADT.
Do you really think if DADT had made it to his desk he would have vetoed it? I would bet a million dollars he would have signed it into law.
If you want to be mad, look at the list I linked and the gay community needs to take a page from the tea party people and target those elected officials to get them out of office. Complaining about Obama does nothing but make people like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck extremely happy.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 22 October 2010 at 3:41pm
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Pedro Tavares
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where's the "like" button on jodi's comment?
at least that's the image that comes across on this side of the pond!
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Pedro Tavares
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I think most the disappointment for Obama's administration comes from all the expectations surrounding his election after 8(?) years of GW Bush.
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Tom French
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Taking on NOM.
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Tom French
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Is Obama's "It Gets Better" video a hollow gesture? From the article: ý"The episode is a tidy microcosm of liberal frustration with Obama. The president says—and, as in this case, seems to genuinely believe—what they see as the right thing. But at the same time, he takes policy steps that are contrary to what he says."
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Jodi Moisan
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Tom from your article it says this:
" With the midterm election approaching, gays and lesbians are among the core Democratic groups whose enthusiasm level is in doubt — and the groups attempt to energize their grass roots could have a bearing in the tight California gubernatorial and Senate races, said Ange-Marie Hancock, who studies sexual and gender politics at the University of Southern California. "
But yet looking at the votes on DADT I don't believe democrats deserve the lukewarm reaction they are getting. I just don't get it, it is like when I see poor people voting republican. Democrats have supported the rights of minorities and poor across the board. But instead of being supported, they are slammed for not being able to over come the republicans.
Instead of saying, "look at how close we have gotten and we must work harder to remove those that oppose us". The gay community bashes Obama and the dems for not doing enough. We are our own worst enemies. When the republicans sweep in, by voting apathy among the usual democratic supporters, then we will see where that gets us, which to be honest scares the hell out of me.
Tom you didn't answer me in a post up thread.
If DADT had passed, do you believe Obama would have vetoed it?
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Tom French
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No, I don't think he would've vetoed it, but he didn't have to challenge the ruling, either. I'm not trying to argue with you, Jodi, and I understand the point you're making, but I need you to see my side of it, too. He specifically promised certain things -- he took a lot of our money -- and each time something has come up, he's done something to stand against it. He's not on my side. That has little to do with the elections in November. I'm not voting for Obama in November -- I'm voting for Congress and I will vote the same way I always do... for Eleanor Holmes Norton... lol. But I promise you that as of right now, I won't be voting for Obama in the next presidential election.
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Jodi Moisan
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I am not trying to argue, I am just so frustrated because I believe this article explains why Obama did what he did. Which I completely and totally support. If the president didn't, then he could basically throw out anything he didn't agree with. Forget what the majority wanted. And even though I would agree with what a democrat would do, I would hate what a republican would do and that is in part, why I hated Bush.
The change has to come from congress and the senate. But with people turning on Obama, I believe it is turning off voters. How many people will read some anti Obama article claiming he is not a supporter of gay rights and say "screw him, he doesn't care about me." and stay home and not vote. Voter apathy is something that is very real and that is what will defeat democrats.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 23 October 2010 at 9:16pm
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Tom French
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The change has to come from congress and the senate. See, I disagree. I believe it IS the job of the judiciary to decide whether a law is unconstitutional or not, not just congress or the senate. Congress and senate make the laws, but the judiciary tests them out.
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Michael Penn
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Quotes from that Huffington article:
>>There is a long tradition that the Justice Department defends laws adopted by Congress and signed by a president, regardless of whether the president in office likes them.<<
Not longer than traditional homophobia and, worse, outright disregard for the human rights of homosexuals. A tradition may be longstanding and even, for its being so, primarily based on good sense -- and yet...
>>On rare occasions, Justice officials conclude there is no reasonable argument that can be made in defense of a federal law.<<
In other words, here's a chance for Obama to claim just such a rare instance where there is no reasonable defense of DADT -- if that's what he believes.
>>...two instances ... One posed free speech problems, because it sought to prevent recipients of federal transportation money from running ads favoring legalization of some drugs. The other was an obscure 1800s statute dealing with licensing of salvage operations.<<
Drugs and garbage -- exceptions.
Not gays?
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Jeremiah Avery
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Brown vs The Board of Education of Topeka wasn't resolved by Congress. It was the court that decided "separate but equal" was unconstitutional. Not everything can or will be resolved by Congress. It's up to the courts to decide if Congress is passing laws that run contrary to the Constitution.
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Jodi Moisan
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So Michael if Obama had not appealed the judges ruling, it would then be able to stand and not be turned over by another judge?
I want something concrete, because I am sick of the back and forth, first giving rights to only than be taken away. Like the families in California, one moment they are considered married, next minute they aren't and it is all done by a judges decision.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 24 October 2010 at 2:25pm
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