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Jeremiah Avery Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 December 2008 Location: United States Posts: 2427
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 1
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What exactly would be any sort of legitimate "fear" of gays? The whole notion of "GOD loves all of his children...except for them" is absurd. If you don't like someone because of different opinions, character traits, etc. then fine but if there is no direct impact on your life, then mind your own business. If the votes are equal and the tax dollars are as equal, then why not extend equal protection under the law? The 14th amendment should have clarified this issue but for some reason, states can create laws that supercede federal when it suits a particular agenda.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 05 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1004
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Because Jeremiah, a four thousand year old nomadic desert text tells them to hate us!
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Jeremiah Avery Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 December 2008 Location: United States Posts: 2427
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | 3
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I was watching History International one night (yeah, I'm a wild and crazy guy) and there was a special that talked about Sodom and Gammorah. The experts interviewed discussed how that particular text of the bible should not be interpreted as GOD smiting gays but rather how the cities were violating the ancient custom of extending hospitality to travelers. It is moreso a story to inspire people to welcome strangers and to be courteous to their neighbors. Some people wonder why I'm a misanthrope!
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Jason Mark Hickok Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 08 February 2009 Location: United States Posts: 10472
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 4
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It is incredible that in these times that 31 times same sex marriage has been on a ballot and 31 times it has been voted down. Where are all the people that I talk to and know that are not only in favor of same sex marriage but of equal rights to every American? I agree with everyone that this issue should not even be on a ballot because it should just be a right! It gets frustrating and tiresome for me and I am not even gay to listen to the bigotry that people spew. I will keep on telling them that they are wrong until gay people have the same liberties as every other person in the United States. So shame on Maine for yesterday's very dark day.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 5
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It is indeed a sad day guys, and I know it's hard NOT to dwell on it... but we are at our best when we keep our heads up and rest assured, the fight isn't over by any means! It probably won't be for a long time, and we'll have to keep fighting for years, even when things do swing our way.
I too wonder where all the straight people are that seem for it as well. Are people just being two-faced about it?
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Jeremiah Avery Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 December 2008 Location: United States Posts: 2427
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 6
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That's possible, Moyer. Some try to be PC but when they go to vote, they vote how they really feel. It's irksome when I talk to some people I know who seem very progressive on certain issues and say they don't have a problem with gays but yet couldn't show support for gay marriage. Trying to find the logic in that just gives me a headache.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

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Trying to find the logic in that just gives me a headache.
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I agree Jeremiah! It does, which is why I can't dwell on it. I think the GOP should be the GOPWFE now, Grand Old People Who Fear Everything.
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Jason Mark Hickok Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 08 February 2009 Location: United States Posts: 10472
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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well Moyer with like I said with 31 attempts and 31 times denied I think you can safely say this isn't just the GOP voting these things down. Especially since some of the attempts have been in traditional Democrat states. I fear that it is some of the two-faceness that you had mentioned previously.
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

Joined: 18 August 2004 Posts: 14203
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This is clearly not a Republican/Democrat issue. Many people are voting against it purely out of fear and ignorance. The mantra that marriage is between a man and a woman has a lot of folks brainwashed.
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Randy Lahey Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 24 January 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 673
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Even Maine votes against it? I would have thought they were more progressive but I guess not. As stated above, civil rights should never be on a ballot. Civil rights are about protecting the minority from the majority, so how can that be left to a vote?
Its a shame that a Democratic President will not state "I support gay marriage and I will do what I can to make it a reality for the nation". I think Democrats are more like Republicans than they will openly admit. Neither party is interested in extending civil rights to gay people. What's worse, a candidate that doesn't support gay marriage because it could cost them votes? Or a candidate that doesn't support gay marriage because they personally are against it?
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3597
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What's worse, a candidate that doesn't support gay marriage because itcould cost them votes? Or a candidate that doesn't support gaymarriage because they personally are against it?
A Candidate that doesn't support through fear of losing votes is a coward. At least the other (personally against it) has honest convictions.
I will march with/for any of you to obtain the rights that I have by default, because I know in my heart that it's the right thing. How can multiplication of love be a bad thing. I ache for our country until equality is real.
Don
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Arc Carlton Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2009 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 12
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Maine, sucks. But Civil Rights, let alone Human Rights, should not be on a ballot. ________________________ I absolutely agree with you.
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