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Ed Aycock
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | 1  

And who wants to come to my place for dinner tonight?  I got used to eating with people on vacation and hate eating alone again.  I made "American chop suey" (rotini in a meat sauce) and have bread an salad.  We can eat and watch some "Dallas."

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Jeremiah Avery
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Classic meal, Ed!  That's one of the easiest meals to make and I lived off of that for quite awhile, which explains why I need to really work out some more!

I've gotten used to eating alone.  Listening to some music or watching tv or a dvd makes the time go by.  Besides, after being at work all day, a little bit of quiet can be a good thing!

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Ed Aycock
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Yeah but when one's out of work (like me!) it's just an end to a long nothing day of fruitless job searching.  I love catching up on TV when I eat.  I never watched "Dallas" until recently so it's fun to watch. 
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Jeremiah Avery
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Understandable, I was unemployed for about a year and a half.  Nine months of that was living back home.  Even then, I didn't want to be around too many people because I was usually in a bad mood or depressed after applying to places I figured weren't gonna hire me. 

My Tivo has been recording episodes of "Frasier" so that's been a nice change of pace.

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I was younger than everyone else in my grade and consequently a little smaller. Being the small, smart, shy kid meant I was always going to be targetted which also meant I was going to learn to defend myself physically. And because I won the fights, and fought a lot, I was the one punished. Sent to psychologists and counselors so they could try to figure me out. At which sessions they gave out really bad advice like; ignore them, you're better than them, don't stoop to their level; violence never solves anything. So I'd take it for most of the year and not say anything and not do anything, which gave the bullies free range to escalate the taunting and escalate the physical intimidation until finally I would just lose my temper and start a fight. The bullies (who lost the fight) wouldn't be punished since they were seldom in the office whereas I would get lectures and detention since it was a pattern of behavior. This whole thing still astounds me; the teachers and the principals knew I was getting bullied, told me not to defend myself physically or verbally and when finally the abuse got too much for me would punish me and not the bullies. I'm not really angry about it anymore, I just don't understand it.

High school was better in that I suddenly became one of the biggest kids in my school (I'm not that big but there was only 400 students so being over six feet and 210 lbs was pretty big) and I could end a lot of situations just by standing up straight and looking people in the eyes. And when I got in a fight in high school I would just tell the principal what had happened and he would thank me for stopping before I seriously hurt the other kid.

I think bullies thrive in schools because the system is set up to benefit them in a strange way.  The mob mentality keeps the majority of students in line (through peer pressure), and teachers either don't see it, or have their hands tied in how to deal with it.

The telling moment for me was when I worked with a guy who was a bully in school (not someone who bullied me because he picked on little guys, not big guys) and he said the same thing that all the teachers, psychiatrists and counselors had said; 'the bullies want you to react and if you react at all you're giving them what they want so the best thing you can do is not react. Ignore them and they'll go away.'  The fact that he said that crystallized something for me; that advice is pure insanity. Who stops pushing someone around because that person lets themself be pushed around? And why would a bully searching for an easy target not target someone unwilling to fight back? They'd rather get in a fight with a scrappy little dude who's known as a good fighter and get their butt whooped? Just weird, wrong advice.

There were probably a few gay people in my high school but only one that was out of the closet in terms of the way he acted. He never came out and said it but he did make it very obvious and while he wasn't one of the popular kids he wasn't picked on all that much either. He kept to himself and was left alone. Looking back I'm not sure how he managed that as I would have thought in a rural small town environment like this one that he'd have been targetted from day one.

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Reaching out on the internet. What is everyone thoughts about it? Is it
futile, an empty dramatic gesture, a legitimate cry for help, what?

For example, if I said right now that I was so hurt and unhappy and felt
so abandoned and shat on by some of my real world friends that I'm
thinking of how much I'd like to die, what is the proper response for
someone half a continent or half a world away online supposed to do with
that? How are you supposed to react? Is it OK not to react at all?

I mean, it would be an obvious ploy for attention, but it could also be a
genuine cry for help. What are you supposed to do then?

Help on the internet is impractical at best. Do you ignore it, dismiss it, or
do you feel some obligation to reach out and try to establish how serious
the situation is, and encourage the person to seek help?

What is your personal level of moral obligation online that you feel
comfortable with? Discuss.
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I know Jodi will call you, so I'm going to go back to playing Fallout 3.

 

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Al, I have a friend who lays everything out in their Facebook status updates and I admit I am more embarrassed than anything by it.  It's not that I'm heartless, and I know it can be a cry for help but I don't know - maybe it's because I am a repressed New Englander but I believe there are better ways to try and get help.  Friends or family, for one thing.  
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The Internet can be good to vent (e.g. "My boss is driving me crazy!") just to unload a bit to relieve some stress.  Sometimes getting another opinion online can be affirming.  However if things are so doom and gloom that you feel like you just can't go on, please seek personal contact (whether it's a friend, family member or professional).

Someone I went to high school with (the only person at the time I still talked to from those days) had a really bad string of bad luck with relationships, work, etc.  She kept posting song lyrics and writing long posts on MySpace.  Though that seems to be her preferred method because when she asked me what she should do about work, she got mad when I told her to stop complaining and do something about it.

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The whole Facebook status...thing... can get weird.  I was just inside my doorway the other night when I had one of my really bad knee twinges (I recall Stevie Hunter in UXM having one that at the time I thought was SO FAKEY MCFAKERSON FAKE - boy was karma watching me that day).  So I hobbled over to my computer and posted about it.  Now, I get these once or more a week.  Furthermore, I change my status update all the time.  But I'll be damned if that fleeting bit of trivia didn't get brought up by my friends all the next day.  It's amazing the embers that catch...
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It's all about context...

I like to think that I would do my best to help anyone that needed it, even a total stranger crying out on a random Bulliten Board somewhere.  But I will admit that I am more likely to take it seriously on a personal level if I am more involved with the person...If I read something like that here at JBF, I would have a much more personal need to see that person helped.  If I ran across that same cry for help within the context of this thread, even moreso...I would not be above giving any of you MBFG friends my personal Cell number so we could chat.

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Al C: "Reaching out on the internet. What is everyone thoughts about it? Is it futile, an empty dramatic gesture, a legitimate cry for help, what?"

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That's a really good question, Al. My personal take is that the internet is best for content discussion, be it common interest in the arts, politics, etc. Websites like this one are fantastic for open discussion of ideas and place for JB fans to come togther. But it can't replace actual interpersonal relationships. For me, this website has been great for discussion and has been a springboards for my making friends in real life, so I tend not to reach out in personal ways on the forum as it's just not my bag. I feel too much reaching out on the internet with people you don't know and who don't know you can be an unhealthy replacement for actual interpersonal relationships, which are more complicated than what we choose to put on the internet. It's too safe to create the persona you want rather than the persona you are, and too safe to judge others.

So I feel that by using the internet to actually meet people in real life is the best manifestation of an evolving medium. This is what works for me, but I have no problem with others reaching out or sharing something that I might not. Everyone has their own personal comfort level and we are all evolving. What I have no patiecne for is the trash talk and using the internet to harrass others. That's where I draw the line and think someone is in a real unhealthy place, like that mother who contributed to a neighborhood child's suicide using a social network page. Horrible.

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