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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 05 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1004
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Back to same-sex marriage for a minute, look who just joined the board of NOM. Orson Scott Card! (No surprise if you know his past politics.)
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/21/10865
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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Not to turn this into the Movie thread, but Moyer and Geoff, you need to see Tropic Thunder, if you haven't already. Stiller wrote, directed and starred in it (along with Jack Black and Robert Downey Jr.) and I got a bellyache from laughing so hard while watching it.
Ed, Orson Scott Card lives here in my hometown of Greensboro, NC. He writes a lengthy politics column for an alt-weekly newspaper. Whenever I see it, I always think, "Why is a guy that talented wasting his time with nonsense like this? If I was him, I'd write another sci-fi best-seller and watch the checks roll in."
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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I know, I can't believe I haven't seen Tropic Thunder yet!
One of my favorite parts of Dodgeball was when pumped up his crotch.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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I enjoyed Tropic Thunder -- but I prefer Zoolander. That movie is a delight.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

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I enjoyed Tropic Thunder even if I thought Tom Cruise - despite the heaps of praise he got for the role - sucked the comedic air out of every scene he was in.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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My wife felt the same way, Ed. Loved McConnaghy, tho!
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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Okay, I admit it, too -- I like Stiller. Hell, I like him as much as his parents!
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Bruce wrote: “Ed, Orson Scott Card lives here in my hometown of Greensboro, NC. He writes a lengthy politics column for an alt-weekly newspaper. Whenever I see it, I always think, ‘Why is a guy that talented wasting his time with nonsense like this? If I was him, I'd write another sci-fi best-seller and watch the checks roll in.’”
I’d no idea Card was in that particular camp. I’ve not yet read any of his novels (though some’ve struck me as interesting), but did read his ultimate Iron Man... and enjoyed it for what it was (basically an interesting SF superhero yarn that had little if anything to do with either the regular MU or the Ultimate version, in all fairness).
I was quite disturbed reading some of those quotes in the article Ed linked to.
Card: “Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition”... This from a man of words and letters? One who actually makes a living of words and letters? Really, marriage only has one definition? In which world?
More Card: “So if my friends insist on calling what they do ‘marriage,’ they are not turning their relationship into what my wife and I have created, because no court has the power to change what their relationship actually is.” And again I can’t help but wonder... if THAT is the reason, don’t all the non-religious or non procreating marriages amount to much the same thing? Why is it we never hear rants and raves about atheist marriages or childless marriages ruining the definition of what is a marriage? Or why does marriage need legal rights to begin with if it’s got nothing to do with legal definitions?
A load of crap!
Geoff wrote: “I enjoyed Tropic Thunder -- but I prefer Zoolander. That movie is a delight.”
Ok, so I’ll join in on the Stiller discussion briefly... Stiller has always for me been an uneven card. At times, like the above mentioned Zoolander (haven’t seen Tropic Thunder, nor have I seen Dodge Ball in its entirety (though I did like the bit I stumbled across on telly one time)), I find absolutely brilliant, other stuff I find somewhat trite and leaving me with a big “Meh!” at best. He’s certainly not an actor who’s a selling point for a movie for me, though I as stated have enjoyed him immensely in some.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Posts: 12734
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Dodgeball is the most perfect movie ever made. Suck it, Citizen Kane.
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Steve D Swanson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 May 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1374
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Gym class was always the worst time of the day for me because it showed me just how unpopular I was. Why? Because I was usually one of the best athletes in the class and I'd still get picked last.
In floor hockey I'd score four of five goals (first team to ten wins) and then my team would throw me in the net to play goal because they didn't want to win that way (on my back). Then when I was playing goal I'd make a ton of saves and they'd get frustrated and put me back on the floor but make sure I never got the puck. Essentially we were then playing as if we had four players instead of five and we'd end up losing. They'd rather lose than win and owe it to me.
I'm a geek, but a big, strong, fast geek. Friends of mine who were also geeks would say they went through the same thing but I had to disagree. Sucking at something and being picked last is kind of fair (even if it feels bad), because somebody has to be picked last and why should someone who is better than you at the game be picked after you? But being one of the best and still have the captains argue over who has to take you?
The problem is that most gym teachers actually liked gym class and were usually the better, more popular, athletes in the class. For them it was a benefit to pick the two most popular kids (since they were once those kinds of kids themselves) and have them pick teams because essentially they are rewarding themselves by rewarding kids who are just like them. Obviously there's a better way and I'm honestly not sure why gym teachers aren't being strongly discouraged from picking teams in that lazy, discriminatory, down right nasty fashion.
Though the alternative proposed upthread of focusing on physical fitness would not appeal to me either because I never got the 'point' of exercising for exercises sake. Give me a game to play and I'll run full out for an hour. Give me drills that relate to a sport and I'll try my best and work hard. Stand in front of me telling me to do pushups, sit ups, chin ups, or running around the gym and I'd halfheart it every time. I needed a specific goal to do my best and without that motivation I wasn't very good.
Running was the bane of my existence though, in a game I could run at full speed and have no problem but running straight would nearly kill me. What I didn't realize (and the gym teachers didn't realize), was that I forgot to breathe when I was running. I'd run for a couple of minutes holding my breath and nearly black out. Really strange.
As to Orson Scott Card; an incredibly talented writer of fiction whose opinion on real world issues I have never sought out after having heard the gist. Ender's Game is easily one of the best science fiction novels of the last thirty or forty years (though the sequels don't need reading). His Alvin Maker books are really well done and I don't think he's published a book where the writing has not been exemplary (though at times I would say the idea doesn't justify the length or the depth of the work). That said I have never seen his opinion on gay marriage bleed into his work (but I haven't read everything he's written so I could have just missed it).
I have not seen him do what I have seen other authors do which is put controversial opinions in their character's mouths as if the character is speaking the words when it is really just the author lecturing the readers (you can tell because the character's voice changes, and the novel usually comes to a dead stop as the character delivers the author's screed).
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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I don't know about you guys but I loved Dodgeball. I know all the downsides and why it fallen out of favor, but I loved playing that game when I was a kid.
I LOVED dodgeball!!! I wish we were all in the same city we could be on an adult dodgeball team together. I was a tomboy and loved all sports. But in my day they didn't have girl teams, I must say I am a little jealous of girls today.
Funny story I went and spent the day with Jonathans class helping the teacher when he was in the 5th grade. They got to play dodgeball and the teacher asked if I would like to play, the kids got excited and wanted me to so I did.
I don't know what happened but the little kid in me came out and I blasted the boys (it was girls against boys) It got down to 3 girls hiding in the corner and me and the jock on the boys side, who was bigger then me, I threw the ball at him and took his feet out from under him. The girls won for the very first time and the boys from his class always remembered that game. I had several when Jon graduated HS come up and said they loved that I played dodgeball with them and wished their mom was as good at dodgeball as I was. Chuck called me a bully.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 23 April 2009 at 7:36pm
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Joakim Jahlmar Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 6080
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Steve wrote: “I'm a geek, but a big, strong, fast geek. Friends of mine who were also geeks would say they went through the same thing but I had to disagree. Sucking at something and being picked last is kind of fair (even if it feels bad), because somebody has to be picked last and why should someone who is better than you at the game be picked after you? But being one of the best and still have the captains argue over who has to take you?”
Well, the thing is that the whole picking order thing has never been entirely about who’s best or not (which your own case make abundantly clear). Rather as the set up usually seem to function it’s just another level of popularity contest. The fact that some of the people involved might as you (rather bluntly) put it suck at it, might also stem at least partly from the fact they’ve never gotten the chance to become involved and actually get better.
Likewise, I’d say that one kinda suck at any team sport on some level, if one cannot treat it as a team effort and become a glory hound, so in that way, you’d have qualified despite your own goal or goal keeping merit. Simply because people who hog the ball and want to do it all by themselves, suck the fun out of it for everyone else.
More Steve (on Card): “That said I have never seen his opinion on gay marriage bleed into his work (but I haven't read everything he's written so I could have just missed it).”
I think that’s what took me a bit by surprise. My ex-girlfriend really enjoyed the Alvin Maker series (not sure how far she got) and my current one has read one or two of the books (though she was quite as impressed or taken by them), and neither of them said anything about the books that suggested any such vibes. Then again, I’m not beyond reading the fictional words of giant ass holes, not even as default even if they do put in opinions that clash with my own opinions and beliefs (partly because I believe literature to be a ground where we can sample, confront and be exposed to contrary ideas, even ones which are not “good” ones). It does, however, get a little trickier if the author (or director, artist, what not) is still alive and kicking, since there are some levels where the ethical dimension of contributing financially to a person’s living becomes questionable if he’s living his own life which seems unethical to me (kind of a form of voting with one’s money, though not because of actual quality of the fictional work). And the latter naturally becomes even more tricky if the work itself does function as a pulpit for an opposing ideology: in short, would I want to help pay for the pulpit?
As to Jodie's suggestion of a dodge ball team... I bet that would lose me a few pounds. ;) But I think it'd be a wee bit too expensive for me to do on a regular basis. Not to mention that the jet lag might well kill me after a while.
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