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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm one of those folks who believes that music and arts should be considered essential parts of a good education. Obviously, reading and math are vital, but not to the exclusion of other important subjects.
This used to be called a "Liberal Arts Education." Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Geometry, Arithmetic, Music, and Astronomy -- the seven founding pillars.
Personally, I believe there are no subjects more important in Early Childhood Education than Music and PE.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 2
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I agree that Physical Education is important, but not the way it is taught,
or at least not the way it was taught to me.
P.E. teachers assume ALL little boys come in knowing the rules of every
sport. I couldn't stand sports as a kid, I was heavy, and well, a nerd! Still
am! None of the coaches I ever had ever explained the way a game
worked, what the rules were (how the hell was I supposed to know what a
f'n double dribble was?) Had a coach taken a day to explain the rule of a
sport, a lot of grief would have been taken out of my life. Some kids just
don't come in sport minded. How is it education if they just send the kids
out to play whatever sport they pick, while they go sit in their office?
Unleashing poor dorks like me to the torment of those who knew it all?
And is it really physical education if they just assume you should be good
at playing a sport? Why not focus on more on correct way to throw a ball?
Lift weights? Run well? The whole concept is skewed. Teach a kid how to
be physical, not by just throwing him in a game of football...sheesh!
Edited by Moyer Hall on 23 April 2009 at 10:14am
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Jesse Garcia Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 10:22am | IP Logged | 3
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You know, everyone says that, but I've never known a kid to have a crush on me. They may have... who knows?... I've just never been aware of it. (I mean, I remember the way I used to crush on my high school football coach's ass, but I didn't think he knew...)
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I think you pretty much just answered your own question there didn't you?
I remember I had a MAD crush on my junior high PE teacher Coach Jones, very clean cut young Peter Gallagher type of guy.
But my first crush was on David Naughton bouncing around in those tight jeans in the original Dr. Pepper commericals.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 4
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I agree, Moyer. One thing I hated the most about PE was the focus on competitive sports. I was not naturally inclined to athletics and would get yelled at by my own peers, called a loser, lame, etc. for missing the volleyball, etc. And yes, I was always amongst one of the last chosen. And don';t get me started on the sadistic "Shirts vs. Skins." Who needs such stress and trauma when they're still trying to figure themselves out? Hell, it's probably connected to why I won't put a current picture of myself on Facebook.
I think PE should be focused on things like organized exercise, running laps, sprinting. Stuff that will not single anybody out for ridicule.
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Michael Tortorice Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 10:36am | IP Logged | 5
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Geez, there you all were talking about sex, and I had to go and ruin it. Sorry...
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

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Well ridicule is part of life, so I won't pretend that anyone should be shielded
from it, but a lot of kids are dealt a better hand than others. And kids are
just plain mean.
What's worse is my coaches didn't do anything about it.
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Michael Tortorice Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, ridicule is good for your character, so of course they wouldn't try to stop it.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

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But you're right, Moyer. There's a line between ridicule and being mean. In this case, the kids were vicious. What's going on in these kid's minds, one wonders.
My gym coaches (in junior high at least) just tended to vanish during class time.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

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Well it's not good for my character, my character is fine without
ridicule!
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Michael Tortorice Byrne Robotics Member

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Well it's not good for my character, my character is fine without
ridicule!
Me too! I always said I have enough character already.
Edited by Michael Tortorice on 23 April 2009 at 11:06am
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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Thankfully, there has been a shift in physical education in the past 10-15 years or so. PE classes now focus more on teaching physical fitness and stressing individual accomplishment (i.e. How do I get better?) rather than focusing on competitive sports where kids get compared to each other. That's certainly the trend, and I think it's a good one.
Of course, it came far too late for most of us (me included). But at least there's progress.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 23 April 2009 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 12
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Thank you, Bruce -- you took my point.
In Early Childhood, PE is much more than sports. Learning to judge distance, to cross the median line (perhaps the most important thing), to gallop, to skip, to run, to throw. The physical being develops as the brain does. BOTH must be nurtured.
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