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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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Your paintings are so good you could make some serious scratch.
You sound like my dad, a man who cannot wrap his head around the concept of "art for art's sake." I paint because I like to paint. Every time -- EVERY time -- I've made some sort of sojourn into the professional art world, albeit just to do an illustration or poster or cartoon, I always walk away frustrated and unsatisfied.
When drawing/painting for someone else, I'm subject to what they want, not necessarily what I want -- and it's hard for me to reconcile that. "Santa needs teeth!" or "He holds his paw more like THIS!" or "I don't like that line." "Draw it again..." are phrases I've heard too many times and hate...
So for me, it's a hobby. And a happy one -- which is more important than money every single time!
Edited by Tom French on 30 March 2009 at 7:16am
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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If we're building a choir, I sing Baritone.
Warning: we will be singing show tunes. This IS a gay thread, after all. (I'm a lyric baritone.)
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3597
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Baritone-Bass and show tunes are fine by me...
As an aside...I wanted to watch a bit Oliver this weekend and Sarah(my youngest) came into the room as it was beginning.
"This is a musical isn't it?" she asked.
"Why would you think that?" I replied, ignoring her question to her frustration.
"because it's got that swoopy music and a long list of credits at the beginning, just like Dr. Doolittle." she explained.
I laughed and admitted that it was indeed a musical, but it was good one. she agreed to watch the start with me.
She made it through Food, Glorious Food, and just after Oliver drew the long straw and took his bowl and stood up...
"Wait, wait, pause it!"
I paused it.
"Is he going to say, "Please sir, can I have some more?"
I busted a gut laughing...It's amazing watching our kids see for the first time things I refference almost everyday.
Great Power, Great responsibility speech in Spider-Man had the same effect.
Don
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Steve D Swanson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 May 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1374
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If we're singing show tunes I insist we start with Phantom of the Opera and then switch to some tunes from Joseph and the amazing technicolor dreamcoat before finishing with a medley from Cats.
And yes, I may be proposing the slate just to torture Tom.
What is everyone's favorite showtune?
Musical number; Singin' in the rain. But I'm not sure if that's precisely a showtune. So I'm going to go with a song that makes me smile every time I hear it; I don't know what it's called but it goes something like - I am the very model of a modern major general.... I like that one but it is tough to sing along with.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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When I played in bands I was always a decent back up singer. Showtunes are fine but nothing from Cats, the second worst thing that ever happened to New York.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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I'm a big fan of "Luck Be A Lady Tonight" but I think thats largely because of Frank Sinatra whose voice I hear when I think of that song. I love "Adelwiess" -- I think its just a really simple, elegant, pretty little song. "Some Enchanted Evening" is just a lovely tune too. I liked "Master of the House" from Les Miserables and thats the only number I remember from that show. I enjoyed going to shows and generally like the music but it doesn't often creep into my regular music listening.
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Michael Tortorice Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 15 November 2008 Location: United States Posts: 2903
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I'll play the audience, since you probably want to eat ever again(and after hearing my voice, you won't). I can do the opening number from The Music Man,all by meself, just like Andy Kaufman used to do(I could probably use the clothes dryer to keep time, though; it helps). But I always get stuck on Trouble in River City. I get to "Helps you cultivate horse-sense, and a cool head and a keen eye" and I totally lose it. Tom, I hear ya on art for art's sake, but for a different reason. I realized that I'm just not that good a writer, so now I do it just to get the stories down, just for me. If folks don't like it, tell 'em they can French your starfish. But in your case, you might want to like what you're looking at when you do.
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Moyer Hall Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 09 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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I think I'm a falsetto... I can belt out BeeGee's songs like I am channeling the
Gibbs themselves.
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 17 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3633
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Congrats! Tom is a really fine artist! What he needs to do is put together an online gallery of all his work.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Showtunes are fine. We sing showtunes, folk, Canadiana, spirituals, classic
pop standards, religious favourites, and whatever else strikes our fancy in
the men's chorus that I'm part of. I'm soloing "Only The Lonely" for our
spring concert series this year...
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Michael Huber Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 August 2007 Location: United States Posts: 3337
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You sound like my dad, a man who cannot wrap his head around the concept of "art for art's sake." I paint because I like to paint. Every time -- EVERY time -- I've made some sort of sojourn into the professional art world, albeit just to do an illustration or poster or cartoon, I always walk away frustrated and unsatisfied.
When drawing/painting for someone else, I'm subject to what they want, not necessarily what I want -- and it's hard for me to reconcile that. "Santa needs teeth!" or "He holds his paw more like THIS!" or "I don't like that line." "Draw it again..." are phrases I've heard too many times and hate...
So for me, it's a hobby. And a happy one -- which is more important than money every single time!
My grandfather was a commercial artist most of his life, and he voiced some of your frustrations Tom. Then his little redneck grandson asked him one day " If you enjoy what you do, then do what you do, maybe they'll sell, maybe not, but you'll smile everytime you look at one." Turns out there was a market for "what he liked to do ". I do miss the man, but I smile when I look at his work. Edit: please let me learn to proof read BEFORE I hit the send key!!!
Edited by Michael Huber on 30 March 2009 at 9:54am
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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You sound like my dad, a man who cannot wrap his head around the concept of "art for art's sake." I paint because I like to paint. Every time -- EVERY time -- I've made some sort of sojourn into the professional art world, albeit just to do an illustration or poster or cartoon, I always walk away frustrated and unsatisfied.
I completely understand, that is why I hated taking orders on my bears, (with the economy this is not a worry anymore). It is funny because I grew to hate making the bears, because of the same reason you mention. I was really upset when the orders dried up, but now it is like a giant weight off my shoulders.
That's why I love doing the "Jonies", I make them from the heart and give them from the heart. My cousin sounds like your dad, she is at a loss on why I am not making a bear a day to sell and when I told her about the ponies, she looked at me like I was speaking a different language when I told her I did not sell the "Jonies".
If we were dependent on my income I would crank out as many bears as I could sell, but for now my artwork is bringing me joy again. Which feels great.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 30 March 2009 at 9:58am
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